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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOL thanks for proving my point and it's not my job to educate you. THat ship has long sailed and some school failed you somewhere along the line.

    It's just something I keep in mind if I read your posts. Which I often dont, lol.
    So you don't have an answer on some sort of logical limitation on your argument. Good to know. The government doesn't have one either, btw.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Many schools demand students have vaccinations. Thoughts on vaccination are? Consider the costs of not having your child vaccinated- not always money- but health risks to themselves and others.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/us...=top-news&_r=0

    HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

    Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.
    Personally, I think anyone that doesn't get their kids vaccinated is a moron. I think we all know the autism link was thoroughly debunked. My issue, though, is personal sovereignty. I'm sure everyone here whose main argument is that you are putting others at risk would be mostly the same folks yelling about personal sovereignty in another.

    While, again, I personally think it's stupid not to vaccinate, I don't agree with the govt being able to mandate it.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    How does an unvaccinated person put a vaccinated person at risk? Explain it. No one else has. They just keep chanting a nonsensical slogan.
    --vaccinations are not 100%. That is common knowledge....how did you miss that?

    --not everyone can take vaccinations and may have to rely on other, less reliable protocols.

    --after vaccination, it takes time to protect someone's immune system and in that approx 2 week period, people are still vulnerable to the disease.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you don't have an answer on some sort of logical limitation on your argument. Good to know. The government doesn't have one either, btw.
    Apparently your English language education was lacking as well.

    But I still wont waste time answering.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Apparently your English language education was lacking as well.

    But I still wont waste time answering.
    So besides insults is there anything you have to say to defend your argument?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Well that's been explained multiple times, but to reiterate from other posters here is a link that helps explain it.
    Why Worry About the Unvaccinated? | Shot of Prevention

    Vaccines are not 100% effective. Most routine childhood vaccines are effective for 85% to 95% of recipients. So an unvaccinated person very much puts vaccinated people at risk, because for some vaccinated individuals the vaccine will be ineffective.
    Depending on the type of disease transmission, vaccinated people could carry the disease home to infant siblings...who are unvaccinated. Obviously I'm referring to the school/kid vaccinations here.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Is that who has been contracting the measles during this latest outbreak?
    Apparently....unvaccinated kids.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Those are facts. Additionally the two times I did get the flu vaccine... I got the flu that week. Only two times that I got the flu in that decade.
    Unfortunately, you were probably already exposed before you got the shots. It takes time to confer full immunity...approx. 2 weeks.

    That does suck and that scenario is what adds to alot of ignorance and fear about vaccines.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well I did address some questions to you about unvaccinated children being able to attend school...should they be? And you said yes. That doesnt mean that they must by law have the vaccinations, just that the school has the right to try and minimize the risks to others.

    That was my intent with my questions. You dont have to address them, we both live in free countries.
    I am against mandatory vaccinations. IF schools want to ban those children then they need to supply teachers to come to the houses of banned children so that they can teach them.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Wrong. Natural immunity is far superior to the artificial resistance provided by vaccines. It's not even close.

    I'm not suggesting anything. I stated a fact. Vaccines do not afford the same immunity as actually getting the disease.
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    I think I asked already but do you have any sources for this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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