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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, side effects can be similar but milder and shorter-lived. Influenza can literally kill you.
    So can the adverse reactions to a vaccine...
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do you think then, that if your child is not vaccinated, that schools should be able to refuse them entry? Because realistically they are endangering other kids. (Again, no vaccine is 100% and there are also those kids that cannot be vaccinated.)
    Yes they should be allowed in and no they are not endangering other kids... that is just silly.

    But then wouldnt you appreciate more those parents that get their kids vaccinated so that yours would have less chance of exposure?
    I have always stated that vaccines for the majority are a good thing.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Then you are truly an idiot with no understanding of math. I'm willing to bet the number of kids who die from vaccines doesn't even break 100 a year. If it even breaks double disgets. The only exception should be if a real doctor says that the kid would die from vaccination, and for those exceptions they would be fine because a 95 percent vaccinated society would protect them

    If you call a healthy society fascism then so be it, go live in freedom in Somalia
    There is no constitutional right to neglect your child it's not in there
    Yeah, because when someone says they don't want to live in a country that forces medical treatments on their citizens they clearly want to live in Somalia. And not getting your kid a shot for something that might happen is not neglect.

    In fact under the constitution units of government can compel inoculation

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Back to that 'greater good' thing tho, abortion has no negative affects on society (that I'm aware of) yet epidemics do. Aside from body count, the effects on the economy and even national security are profound.
    Irrelevant. Medical privacy is what matters in that case and in this situation as well. If pro-choicers will not accept that then that leaves open the door that pro-lifers can make an argument against abortion too...
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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    False.
    True?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    There will be a Roe v Wade type of Constitutional challenge regarding medical privacy... I wonder how Pro-Choice advocates like Minnie will respond.
    If you start making a habit of applying someones logic in a universal manner they will start calling you a black and white thinker, because apparently being illogical and making random exceptions to your logic flow is how you're supposed to think. It is however true though that once the government can invade your privacy for vaccines there is no reason to expect that can't do so for other reasons.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do you think then, that if your child is not vaccinated, that schools should be able to refuse them entry? Because realistically they are endangering other kids. (Again, no vaccine is 100% and there are also those kids that cannot be vaccinated.)
    Here is some info on US schools regarding vaccinations.


    In 1922 the constitutionality of childhood vaccination would be examined in the Supreme Court case Zucht v. King. The court decided that a school could deny admission to children who failed to provide a certification of vaccination for the protection of the public health.[31] In 1987, a measles epidemic occurred in Maricopa County, Arizona and another court case, Maricopa County Health Department vs. Harmon, would examine the arguments of an individuals right to education over the states need to protect against the spread of disease. The court decided that it is prudent to take action to combat the spread of disease by denying un-vaccinated children back to school until the risk for the spread of measles was confirmed.[31]


    Currently, in a push to eradicate Pertussis, Tetanus, Diphtheria, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Varicella, and Hepatitis B from the population, schools across the United States require an updated immunization record for all incoming and returning students.

    While all states require an immunization record, this does not mean that all students must get vaccinated. Opting out is a state-by-state law; some states allow parents to opt out for a variety of reasons, but all states do require an immunization record at schools.

    Some of the exemptions for opting out of vaccination is due to medical conditions that increase the risk of having an adverse health effect or reaction due to the vaccine. Other reasons consist of religious beliefs and personal philosophical opposition to mandatory vaccination.

    As of 2014, 48 states allow religious exemptions except for Mississippi and West Virginia and some states even require proof of religious membership.

    In addition, only 18 states allow personal philosophical opposition to vaccination as a form of exemption.[32]


    Overall,there are ethical debates and objections to the required school vaccinations laws because of different religious or philosophical beliefs and the infringement on individual liberties still persist.[33][34]
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you start making a habit of applying someones logic in a universal manner they will start calling you a black and white thinker, because apparently being illogical and making random exceptions to your logic flow is how you're supposed to think. It is however true though that once the government can invade your privacy for vaccines there is no reason to expect that can't do so for other reasons.
    Agreed and as I state a little better in post #504
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Here is some info on US schools regarding vaccinations.



    Vaccination policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Those laws are unconstitutional, illegal, hypocritical and immoral.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Agreed and as I state a little better in post #504
    Indeed. If a woman's privacy is important in terms of her abortion rights then why is it not important in term of vaccines? Because, like I said, selective reasoning. They set out something like "we have a right to privacy" and then start marking down where it applies and where it doesn't as if that logically flows at all. It's really all old hat that many peoples politics are shaped around.

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