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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Does seem high. But CDC estimate is even higher -
    CDC researchers say measles outbreaks cost U.S. health authorities up to $5M in 2011 - FierceVaccines




    Even if it's half that number, the vaccine is a lot less pricey.
    True on the vaccine being less pricey. But the costs were administrative costs by the CDC to "manage" the outbreak and not hospital, doctor or nurse costs at least, not that was mentioned. Were I in government I'd want to see a breakdown of exactly what work went into that number by how many people and do a cost analysis and work study. Something there doesn't smell right or, these people who managed these outbreaks are getting paid big bucks.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    you declare this so-called fact.

    Here is reality.




    Stark, glaring reality. You see the chart prior to the vaccine? That's your natural immunity.

    See the chart after the vaccine? Inferior artificial immunity.

    Scoreboard.

    The idea that natural immunity to these viruses is superior is LUDICROUS.
    Also, the method Tettsuo seems to be proposing is "expose your children to the disease and they will end up immune to it". That ignores the hidden addendum: 'if they survive'.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    True on the vaccine being less pricey. But the costs were administrative costs by the CDC to "manage" the outbreak and not hospital, doctor or nurse costs at least, not that was mentioned. Were I in government I'd want to see a breakdown of exactly what work went into that number by how many people and do a cost analysis and work study. Something there doesn't smell right or, these people who managed these outbreaks are getting paid big bucks.
    "Administrative" costs that prevent the number of infections from quadrupling?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Also, the method Tettsuo seems to be proposing is "expose your children to the disease and they will end up immune to it". That ignores the hidden addendum: 'if they survive'.
    I'd like to see evidence that "natural" immunity is so very different and so very inferior. If polio and mmr are any indication, The "artificial" immunity seems nearly 100% effective. How much better can "natural" immunity be?

    You gain immunity by giving your immune system something to fight, and your body learns go to fight that particular virus better. How does he think vaccines work, exactly?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Administrative" costs that prevent the number of infections from quadrupling?
    Were I in government, I'd like to see incontrovertible proof of that before I'd agree to it and then I'd still question the cost.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Were I in government, I'd like to see incontrovertible proof of that before I'd agree to it and then I'd still question the cost.
    Did you feel the same way about the Ebola scare we had in the states in a few months ago?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Did you feel the same way about the Ebola scare we had in the states in a few months ago?
    From a financial perspective - absolutely.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    you declare this so-called fact.

    Here is reality.



    Stark, glaring reality. You see the chart prior to the vaccine? That's your natural immunity.

    See the chart after the vaccine? Inferior artificial immunity.

    Scoreboard.

    The idea that natural immunity to these viruses is superior is LUDICROUS.
    LOL... nothing in this chart has anything to do with the development of natural immunity as opposed to the artificial immunity created by vaccines.

    Did you get your booster shots? You'll need it, cause vaccine immunity is temporary.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Also, the method Tettsuo seems to be proposing is "expose your children to the disease and they will end up immune to it". That ignores the hidden addendum: 'if they survive'.
    Nonsense.

    I stated a fact. I thought the pro-vaccine crew liked facts. I guess not.

    Another fact that being ignored is vaccines are not 100% safe. That's a lie.

    Statistics Reports

    Every year, a significant amount of money is paid to people, by the US, for reported vaccine injuries.

    It's a risk vs reward balance.

    Also, I love this video.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    True on the vaccine being less pricey. But the costs were administrative costs by the CDC to "manage" the outbreak and not hospital, doctor or nurse costs at least, not that was mentioned. Were I in government I'd want to see a breakdown of exactly what work went into that number by how many people and do a cost analysis and work study. Something there doesn't smell right or, these people who managed these outbreaks are getting paid big bucks.
    I agree it would be interesting to see the breakdown. There may be something out there, I'm not interested enough to find it.

    But prevention is almost always cheaper than curing.

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