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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    You do know that you can get the polio virus and get over it with no lasting or even traumatic effects, right? In fact, the vast majority of people that contracted polio didn't really have any issues getting over the disease, much like measles (specifically in developed countries).
    Actually it is estimated that 25 to 40 percent of the people who recovered from polio got post polio syndrome later in life.

    From Post-Polio Syndrome Fact Sheet



    Who is at risk?

    While polio is a contagious disease, PPS cannot be caught from others having the disorder. Only a polio survivor can develop PPS.

    The severity of weakness and disability after recovery from poliomyelitis tends to predict the relative risk of developing PPS. [Individuals who had minimal symptoms from the original illness are more likely to experience only mild PPS symptoms. A person who was more acutely affected by the polio virus and who attained a greater recovery may experience a more severe case of PPS, with greater loss of muscle function and more severe fatigue.

    The exact incidence and prevalence of PPS is unknown. The U.S. National Health Interview Survey in 1987 contained specific questions for persons given the diagnosis of poliomyelitis with or without paralysis. No survey since then has addressed the question. Results published in 1994-1995 estimated there were about 1 million polio survivors in the U.S., with 443,000 reporting to have had paralytic polio. Accurate statistics do not exist today, as a percentage of polio survivors have died and new cases have been diagnosed. Researchers estimate that the condition affects 25 to 40 percent of polio survivors.
    Post-Polio Syndrome Fact Sheet: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS)
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    The benefits of driving far, far outweigh the costs. Notice, though, that it is illegal to drive in an unsafe way; too fast, while drunk, or without a seatbelt.

    The benefit of not vaccinating your child? You don't have to take the one-in-millions chance that they will be allergic to one of the components (I bet you are happy about them eating nuts, though). The costs are currently visible in California. It's not even a close comparison.
    I agree.

    So far in 2015


    More measles in California, including a infant in Santa Monica that led to the closing of a daycare and the quarantine of over a dozen infants. (2015)

    Another quarantine in Riverside County, California - at least 40 unvaccinated students at Vista Murrieta High School won't be able to return to school because a school employee developed measles recently. (2015)

    A case in Washington D.C. (2015)

    At least 91 cases in California, including at least 58 that are linked to the Disneyland outbreak. (2015)

    A student at Bard College in Dutchess County, New York, who exposed many people while traveling on an Amtrak train to Penn Station in New York City. (2015)

    An unvaccinated woman in New Castle County, Delaware who had recently traveled out of the country. (2015)

    A case on the University of Minnesota Twin Cities campus in a student that had recently returned from out of the country. Although others were exposed, it is considered to be a "highly immunized" population, so hopefully the outbreak won't spread. (2015)

    A case in Fresno County, California, which may have exposed people on the labor and delivery ward of a hospital. (2015)

    Two more cases in Arizona that are tied to the Disneyland outbreak, including a woman in Phoenix who may have exposed others up to 195 children at the Phoenix Children's East Valley Center, including a 3-year-old getting chemotherapy for leukemia. (2015)

    An adult in Cook County, Illinois which in not linked to Disneyland. (2015)

    A student at Valley High School in Las Vegas which led to the quarantine of 36 unvaccinated students until early February. (2015)
    http://pediatrics.about.com/od/measl...-outbreaks.htm
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    For one? Or For every vaccine? Additionally...what is the cost of caring for everyone with polio, smallpox, and so on?
    I read somewhere that it costs $10,000 for every case of the measles.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    You do know that you can get the polio virus and get over it with no lasting or even traumatic effects, right? In fact, the vast majority of people that contracted polio didn't really have any issues getting over the disease, much like measles (specifically in developed countries).
    Wait a second - you are unwilling to risk the side effects of a vaccine (very very small) but you ARE willing to risk that you will have complications from polio? (much much higher)

    Might want to recheck the math on that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I read somewhere that it costs $10,000 for every case of the measles.
    That would be both high and surprising in my view. I broke a wrist one year ago and the total bill, including outpatient surgery, follow up visits and physical therapy was $6,000.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't go to the doctor in general. Waste of time and money. Feel free to come to your own conclusion though...

    One thing I love is how they say you can't get the flu from the shot but you side effects are this:

    Runny nose
    Wheezing
    Headache
    Vomiting
    Muscle aches
    Fever

    And here are the symptoms of the flu itself:

    Fever and extreme coldness (chills shivering, shaking (rigor))
    Cough
    Nasal congestion
    Runny nose
    Sneezing
    Body aches, especially joints and throat
    Fatigue
    Headache
    Irritated, watering eyes
    Yes, side effects can be similar but milder and shorter-lived. Influenza can literally kill you.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    You do know that you can get the polio virus and get over it with no lasting or even traumatic effects, right? In fact, the vast majority of people that contracted polio didn't really have any issues getting over the disease, much like measles (specifically in developed countries).
    You can survive a car crash without wearing a seatbelt but this is still a stupid, stupid decision.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That would be both high and surprising in my view. I broke a wrist one year ago and the total bill, including outpatient surgery, follow up visits and physical therapy was $6,000.
    Does seem high. But CDC estimate is even higher -
    CDC researchers say measles outbreaks cost U.S. health authorities up to $5M in 2011 - FierceVaccines


    he CDC tallied the cost of the 16 outbreaks in a paper published in the current issue of the journal Vaccine. The calculation considered the time and resources local and state public health authorities allocated to manage the 16 outbreaks in the U.S. in 2011. A total of 107 people were infected that year in clusters that ranged from three to 22 cases. The CDC researchers estimate that each infection cost authorities $11,933 to $29,833. A further 113 isolated cases of measles occurred outside of an outbreak situation in 2011.

    The CDC paper shows that management of these clusters and isolated cases requires significant investment from health authorities. And each dollar spent on measles has to be diverted from another area of public health. "Beyond the impact on local and state public health departments, responses to measles outbreaks also affect hospitals, clinics, as well as non-health public departments such as schools, universities and occasionally local police departments enforcing quarantines," the authors wrote.
    Even if it's half that number, the vaccine is a lot less pricey.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I read somewhere that it costs $10,000 for every case of the measles.
    What would be the "somewhere" of that?

    $10,000 for measles.....Obamacare sure has inflated things.
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    Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Wrong. Natural immunity is far superior to the artificial resistance provided by vaccines. It's not even close.

    I'm not suggesting anything. I stated a fact. Vaccines do not afford the same immunity as actually getting the disease.

    Now, I'd love to see this scoreboard you're talking about.
    you declare this so-called fact.

    Here is reality.




    Stark, glaring reality. You see the chart prior to the vaccine? That's your natural immunity.

    See the chart after the vaccine? Inferior artificial immunity.

    Scoreboard.

    The idea that natural immunity to these viruses is superior is LUDICROUS.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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