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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    That is among my collection of science fair trophies I think--I'll have to double check.



    The admission of your inabilities is noted, and demonstrated.


    I have empathy for different others than you have empathy for. Why are your others superior to my others?
    Yes, your imaginary science award is noted, because there is zero other evidence of it.

    Insults again? You are the one proving no one has succeeded so far.

    And my empathy is for infants, elderly, people fighting cancer, others with compromise immune systems that are victimized by your kind of ignorance.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services set up the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) in 1988 to compensate individuals and families of individuals injured by covered childhood vaccines.[3] The VICP was adopted in response to a scare over the pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine.[1] These claims were later generally discredited, but some U.S. lawsuits against vaccine makers won substantial awards. Most makers ceased production, and the last remaining major manufacturer threatened to do so.[1] The VICP uses a no-fault system for resolving vaccine injury claims.[1] Compensation covers medical and legal expenses, loss of future earning capacity, and up to $250,000 for pain and suffering; a death benefit of up to $250,000 is available. If certain minimal requirements are met, legal expenses are compensated even for unsuccessful claims.[4] Since 1988, the program has been funded by an excise tax of 75 cents on every purchased dose of covered vaccine. To win an award, a claimant must show a causal connection; if medical records show a child has one of several listed adverse effects soon after vaccination, the assumption is that it was caused by the vaccine. The burden of proof is the civil-law preponderance-of-the-evidence standard, in other words a showing that causation was more likely than not. Denied claims can be pursued in civil courts, though this is rare.[1]

    The VICP covers all vaccines listed on the Vaccine Injury Table maintained by the Secretary of Health and Human Services; in 2007 the list included vaccines against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), polio, hepatitis B, varicella (chicken pox), Haemophilus influenzae type b, rotavirus, and pneumonia.[5] From 1988 until 8 January 2008, 5,263 claims relating to autism, and 2,865 non-autism claims, were made to the VICP. 925 of these claims, one autism-related (see previous rulings), were compensated, with 1,158 non-autism and 350 autism claims dismissed; awards (including attorney's fees) totaled $847 million.[6] The VICP also applies to claims for injuries suffered before 1988; there were 4,264 of these claims of which 1,189 were compensated with awards totaling $903 million.[6]

    Vaccine court - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There have been over 2,000 judgments related to vaccinations totaling over $1.7 billion under federal law. It is nice that the government covers the liabilities of the mega rich drug companies concerning the totally safe, never could harm anyone vaccinations they sell for BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars each year

    The government should do this for every company, actually for all of us. If anyone sues anyone of us for any wrongful action, the government pays the judgment. The government really should have paid BP's damages too. It's only fair, huh?
    2000 total out of millions vaccinated every year? More people than that die of the flu alone every year.

    Errors in a medication? Of course it can happen, just like anything else manufactured or prepared...like cars, planes, foods, etc.

    Somebody sees $$$ going to other people and not him and is jealous?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I asked you a completely different question related to the comments you made. Why do you have such a hard time with that?
    You know as well as I that it cannot be answered by myself.
    Why post the question?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I don't. There is no logical argument for keeping genetically weaker children in the gene pool.
    Seriously? You believe that?

    1) We have an ethical duty to keep our fellow citizens alive and healthy.
    2) Contracting polio, or smallpox, or measles, or chickenpox, are not indicators of "genetic weakness."
    3) Millions of lives were spared misery, suffering and death because of many vaccines.
    4) Eugenics is not actually a logical argument. It's pseudo-science.


    There is no societal argument justifying a policy that would force parents to shell out money they might not have to protect 1 or 2 kids a year from dying.
    Yes, there is.

    If the disease is sufficiently harmful, and highly contagious, then it becomes an issue of protecting the society as a whole.

    We can't vaccinate everyone (e.g. some people have immune disorders), some people lose their resistance over time, and the more people that are vaccinated means the fewer vectors for disease transmission. We also can completely eradicate some horrible diseases with compulsory vaccination.

    There is no logical or ethical argument for claiming that we would be better off today with polio and smallpox still circulating in America.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    None of the links you posted has anything to do with the connection between gut issues and autism. Did you not understand my previous posts? Do you need me to repost them?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    None of the links you posted has anything to do with the connection between gut issues and autism. Did you not understand my previous posts? Do you need me to repost them?
    Second link:

    Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses

    All 8 of these children had gastrointestinal symptoms and signs and lymphoid nodular hyperplasia revealed on endoscopy. From these observations, Wakefield postulated that MMR vaccine caused intestinal inflammation that led to translocation of usually nonpermeable peptides to the bloodstream and, subsequently, to the brain, where they affected development.
    Did you actually read the links? It seems like you didn't read them and just assumed they didn't address the studies by Wakefield.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    You can only get infected by a flu virus if the virus is alive. Flu shots inject dead viruses. They cannot give you the flu.
    Hmmm, so you can have all of the symptoms of the flu, but not actually have the flu? If so, then what's causing those reactions?

    Most of the people who are questioning vaccines, question the ingredients contained within the vaccine and their efficacy. As do I.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Did anyone else hear Ron Paul? He has "seen healthy walking talking kids" become autistic after vaccines. :eyeroll:

    This is friggin stupid. Politicizing a debate that is so logical for one side, and so proven, that it just makes no sense.

    You are more likely to have issues with aspirin than vaccines.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    None of the links you posted has anything to do with the connection between gut issues and autism. Did you not understand my previous posts? Do you need me to repost them?
    This 2013 study found no link



    5 November 2012

    Bacterial controversy: Some studies have found certain bacterial species in children with autism and not in controls, but a new study says there are no differences between the groups.

    Contradicting a popular hypothesis in autism, a new study from Australia has found no connection between autism and bacteria in the gut. The analysis, published 20 September in the journal Autism Research, reports that the gastrointestinal (GI) systems of children with autism harbor the same bacteria as those of their typically developing siblings1.

    “Our conclusion was there’s no single organism that we can pinpoint as being always involved in autism,” says Enzo Palombo, associate professor of microbiology at the Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne, Australia, who is one of the investigators.
    Study finds no link between autism and gut microbes
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Insults only, not a single thing to support your paranoia and ignorance. Not surprising. Interestingly, not much you post is a surprise.
    I think this whole thing is nothing but paranoia and ignorance. Places like Colorado had an 80% vaccination rate for years, and the bodies of kids are not building up in the street. People should get vaccines, but we're not at some point at which now everyone is susceptible to death, herd immunity is still pretty well working. There will be some non-zero cases of measles and such though, but it doesn't mean we're all going to die.

    Now it's vaccines, before it was ebola, it seems like there's always some manufactured crisis we have to freak out about but they never really seem to come to anything. No one died from Ebola, and we're not going to go through a major measles pandemic.
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