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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    In order to really have this discussion properly with you it would take hours and hours of educating you, and even then you probably wouldn't even listen.
    I would listen... if you could prove that the alternatives actually work.

    You can't, because they don't. Study after study have shown they don't. If they did, I'd happily suggest using them, and encourage further study to understand how and why.

    No data, no credibility. Them's the breaks.


    The medical system is broken. If vaccines are the only thing standing between us and epidemics then we're pretty S.O.L. because the vaccines won't last forever.
    How we pay for health care in the US is a problem -- in part because it's so good, that people are living long enough to develop some pretty serious and expensive illnesses. The system itself isn't perfect, but the general concept works very well. So well that people like you can take it for granted, and complain when it doesn't work like magic and heal people overnight.

    There is no question that vaccines are the only thing preventing us from getting polio and smallpox, and they do a very good job at protecting against other diseases. Millions of lives could be saved and/or spared agony if we can develop vaccines for HIV/AIDS, Ebola, and other diseases.

    You should also keep in mind that vaccines are not like antibiotics. Diseases rarely develop a resistance to vaccines, and we can develop vaccines for the resistant strains.

    Nothing you've said even remotely disproves this, you aren't even trying. No data, no credibility.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I'd love to read the research that discredits this. Please provide.
    Good grief, start here:

    AFP Journal Club: Autism and Childhood Vaccinations: Debunking the Myth - American Family Physician

    There are many holes in this argument. First, this was a self-referred cohort without a control group. Second, in Great Britain, approximately 50,000 children one to two years of age receive the MMR vaccine each month; this is a time when autism typically presents, making this likely a coincidental association. Third, the MMR vaccine has not been found to cause chronic intestinal inflammation. Fourth, no toxic encephalopathic proteins traveling from the intestine to the brain have ever been identified. Instead, genes that code for endogenous proteins, which influence neuronal synapse function, have been identified in children with autism.3
    Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses
    Pervasive developmental disorders in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: prev... - PubMed - NCBI

    You know, it's one thing to feign ignorance, it's another to simply ignore the evidence that does exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I would listen... if you could prove that the alternatives actually work.

    You can't, because they don't.
    Yeah, that really inspires me to put actually work into this discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    How we pay for health care in the US is a problem -- in part because it's so good,


    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    There is no question that vaccines are the only thing preventing us from getting polio and smallpox, and they do a very good job at protecting against other diseases. Millions of lives could be saved and/or spared agony if we can develop vaccines for HIV/AIDS, Ebola, and other diseases.
    Sigh... I never disputed that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    You should also keep in mind that vaccines are not like antibiotics. Diseases rarely develop a resistance to vaccines, and we can develop vaccines for the resistant strains.
    Do you have some kind of self-talk program running? I know what vaccines are and what they do, ffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Nothing you've said even remotely disproves this, you aren't even trying. No data, no credibility.
    In case you haven't noticed, I'm not really trying.

    If you believe so strongly in vaccines then go get vaccinated. As I said it has nothing to do with me.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Would you rather him live as a potato than scratch for a week and live a normal life? You do not get to choose what the side-effects will be. They happen or they don't.
    And you cannot tell who's infants will get it and die. That happens...or it dont.

    When your kids go around unvaccinated, their brothers and sisters bring it back to the infants in the home that cannot be vaccinated or have weaker immune systems.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Perhaps, but apparently the government telling people measles had been vanquished here was bunk too. Maybe they should keep such things secret
    Duh? It pretty much was. Ever heard of travel from other countries?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And you cannot tell who's infants will get it and die. That happens...or it dont.

    When your kids go around unvaccinated, their brothers and sisters bring it back to the infants in the home that cannot be vaccinated or have weaker immune systems.
    Why would I care?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Duh? It pretty much was. Ever heard of travel from other countries?
    Obviously it pretty much wasn't.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Why would I care?
    Thanks for your honesty. Good luck when you are elderly....you will again be susceptible. Or undergoing chemotherapy.

    But...why would I care?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Obviously it pretty much wasn't.
    Ah. What would your suggestion for prevention have been?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Perhaps, but then people complain about kids shouldn't be homeschooled.
    Who?

    And the lack of contact with others just makes homeschooled kids more vulnerable so not vaccinating them is ignorant & dangerous as well.

    But....you dont care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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