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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You should definitely try putting some ice on where it hurts.

    I didnt offer the '95%' figure but as the CDC itself admitted that its current vaccine is inefficient.
    The current vaccine is known to be ineffective for aprox 52% of the current strain of flu virus.
    Flu shot may not be enough protection this season - CBS News
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    The absolute risk reduction between the vaccines for senior citizens was 0.46% (1.89%-1.43%) even after increasing the dosage by four times the initial amount. Its sold as being 24% more effective than the ORIGINAL vaccine...which was determined to be ineffective.
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/818438
    Navy study indicates 96% of flu sufferers received flu shots.
    Navy Proves Flu Shot Doesn't Work

    None of this is to suggest vaccines are bad or ineffective, just that they are not always the panacea some might think they are.
    I never said vaccines were a panacea or 100% effective. I merely refuted the claim by another poster that flu vaccines were 95% ineffective. Then you replied to that refutation with a source that failed to address the refutation, and that was shown to be total bunk regardless.

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    Is that who has been contracting the measles during this latest outbreak?
    You should really read the posts people are responding to before jumping into their conversations. Nobody said anything about the elderly contracting measles during this latest outbreak, nor does that have anything to do with how unvaccinated people put vaccinated people at risk, which was what the line of discussion was about.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Those are facts. Additionally the two times I did get the flu vaccine... I got the flu that week. Only two times that I got the flu in that decade.
    Please show me the source that confirms that the flu vaccine is a waste of time and money for 95% of people. That sounds an awful lot like an opinion with a bogus made-up statistic thrown in just for kicks.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I never said vaccines were a panacea or 100% effective. I merely refuted the claim by another poster that flu vaccines were 95% ineffective. Then you replied to that refutation with a source that failed to address the refutation, and that was shown to be total bunk regardless.


    You should really read the posts people are responding to before jumping into their conversations. Nobody said anything about the elderly contracting measles during this latest outbreak, nor does that have anything to do with how unvaccinated people put vaccinated people at risk, which was what the line of discussion was about.
    I was not defending the 95% remark. I DID show that the CDC by their own admission stated that their only sometime reliable vaccine is ineffective on 52% of the current strains seen this year. I was engaging in what a lot of people like to call a 'conversation' and you responded like you caught your own pubes in your zipper.

    Annnnnnnnnnd you did it AGAIN with this latest round. Dood stated an array of people that are susceptible to the measles. I asked a QUESTION...is that who is contracting the measles during the current outbreak. Thats it. Again...CONVERSATION.

    Stop kicking yourself in the groin and try it some time.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Please show me the source that confirms that the flu vaccine is a waste of time and money for 95% of people. That sounds an awful lot like an opinion with a bogus made-up statistic thrown in just for kicks.
    There are sources all over the place that claim that the flu shots as 60% effective and more... in my age group I would say they are 95%. They are a waste of time for most people accept the elderly.

    It is a bit of opinion based off of facts. Think what you like though, all good.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I was not defending the 95% remark. I DID show that the CDC by their own admission stated that their only sometime reliable vaccine is ineffective on 52% of the current strains seen this year. I was engaging in what a lot of people like to call a 'conversation' and you responded like you caught your own pubes in your zipper.

    Annnnnnnnnnd you did it AGAIN with this latest round. Dood stated an array of people that are susceptible to the measles. I asked a QUESTION...is that who is contracting the measles during the current outbreak. Thats it. Again...CONVERSATION.

    Stop kicking yourself in the groin and try it some time.
    Judging by your immature rants after every reply to your posts, I don't think you understand what a conversation is any more than you understand vaccines.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    There are sources all over the place that claim that the flu shots as 60% effective and more... in my age group I would say they are 95%. They are a waste of time for most people accept the elderly.

    It is a bit of opinion based off of facts. Think what you like though, all good.
    Okay, then show me the facts. Give me the source. Otherwise, sorry, it is just opinion.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Okay, then show me the facts. Give me the source. Otherwise, sorry, it is just opinion.
    "last year’s vaccine was only 60 percent effective"

    Was Your Flu Shot A Waste Of Time This Year? CBS Denver

    That being said I don't really care. I took the shot twice and both times I got the flu within a day or two. Only two times in 11 years or so that I got the flu. Cost me money and made me sick. Nobody I knew was getting the flu shot and I don't recall any of them ever getting the flu. We talked about it that is why I remember... what a waste it was for people of our age group, at least.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Judging by your immature rants after every reply to your posts, I don't think you understand what a conversation is any more than you understand vaccines.


    And yet........

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    "last year’s vaccine was only 60 percent effective"
    That's a glib summary of your link.

    It's not 60% effective against the flu. It's almost full protection against three strains of the flu, and partial protection against the mutated strain (50/50).

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I wouldn't say you lack compassion. What you lack is perspective and rationality.

    Your child apparently got hit by an adverse reaction that is so rare, her doctors didn't recognize it. Statistically, even given your allegations of underreporting, it is far safer to vaccinate than not.
    Oddly enough, however, when the statistically improbable happens, it can change your viewpoint.

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