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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    I wish vaccinations were mandatory. Public health is not an individual choice, unfortunately, but a social right.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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    Stop doing what? Questioning that idea that autism and gut issues are link? Because that's what I'm doing.
    Even that research was discredited. Do you have anything else to add?
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    No, the other question is who gets to decide which risk to take?

    Many here say it's the government. Maybe the governments should have people at casinos dictating which bet to place calculating the odds.

    Many people no longer grasp the concept of INDIVIDUAL risk taking, that it's MY risk to decide, not the government's or the collective hive mentality.

    Most vaccinations are a disease they are injecting into the person. No tests are done on the person before this. No information of where or how it is was made. Just 50 needles with diseases, some with many blended together, for which those of the collective hive mentality declare the big pharma has successfully assured the government it's safe - and thus only a lunatic would dare question it.

    And all the experts swore Iraq had WMDs too. To everyone. To the whole world. And MOST people believed them. It's not like government and corporations ever lie to anyone.
    Take all the risks you wish. By doing so are also placing others at risk. And that is not a right.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    What is it about measles vaccines? Vaccines for measles didn't exist when I was going to school. You got the disease, of which there were 2 versions, one lasted for 3 days, and the other, the bad one lasted for about 2 weeks. Then you were immune for life. Our parents and grandparents had all had measles, and nobody worried about it, nor did anybody ever die of it. What has happened? Was measles so eradicated that no one now has any immunity toward it?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I wish vaccinations were mandatory. Public health is not an individual choice, unfortunately, but a social right.
    The government definitely should dictate every meal for every person and regulate all physical activities because public health is not an individual choice.

    Unvaccinated people do not endanger anyone vaccinated - unless you concede vaccinations don't work. Thus, there is no PUBLIC health issue, only an individual health issue.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Then your response was irrelevant to the post you quoted and you shouldn't have used the quote function.

    Regardless, the rest of my post proved your link was a load of garbage.
    Your butthurt is noted as is your apparent lack of ability to engage in conversation.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Take all the risks you wish. By doing so are also placing others at risk. And that is not a right.
    How does an unvaccinated person put a vaccinated person at risk? Explain it. No one else has. They just keep chanting a nonsensical slogan.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    What is it about measles vaccines? Vaccines for measles didn't exist when I was going to school. You got the disease, of which there were 2 versions, one lasted for 3 days, and the other, the bad one lasted for about 2 weeks. Then you were immune for life. Our parents and grandparents had all had measles, and nobody worried about it, nor did anybody ever die of it. What has happened? Was measles so eradicated that no one now has any immunity toward it?
    Most people who were vaccinated are immune to it.

    The outbreaks occur in populations with a lower vaccination rate. However, vaccines can wear off over time or sometimes the immunity doesn't take hold in the first place so a few vaccinated people can get sick here and there.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    What is it about measles vaccines? Vaccines for measles didn't exist when I was going to school. You got the disease, of which there were 2 versions, one lasted for 3 days, and the other, the bad one lasted for about 2 weeks. Then you were immune for life. Our parents and grandparents had all had measles, and nobody worried about it, nor did anybody ever die of it. What has happened? Was measles so eradicated that no one now has any immunity toward it?
    What happened is that people die from complications due to measles. Measles is pretty rare in the US given the headway MMR vaccinations have been able to make against it.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The government definitely should dictate every meal for every person and regulate all physical activities because public health is not an individual choice.
    I also think that the government should provide a robust public health awareness program that includes regulation of the food industry and promotion of healthy lifestyles, so you're close.

    Unvaccinated people do not endanger anyone vaccinated - unless you concede vaccinations don't work. Thus, there is no PUBLIC health issue, only an individual health issue.
    Completely ignorant response. Not surprising coming from someone that would take such a stance.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    What is it about measles vaccines? Vaccines for measles didn't exist when I was going to school. You got the disease, of which there were 2 versions, one lasted for 3 days, and the other, the bad one lasted for about 2 weeks. Then you were immune for life. Our parents and grandparents had all had measles, and nobody worried about it, nor did anybody ever die of it. What has happened? Was measles so eradicated that no one now has any immunity toward it?
    Problem is people do die from it
    In 2011, the WHO estimated that there were about 158,000 deaths caused by measles. This is down from 630,000 deaths in 1990.[54] In developed countries, death occurs in 1 to 2 cases out of every 1,000 (0.1% - 0.2%).[55] In populations with high levels of malnutrition and a lack of adequate healthcare, mortality can be as high as 10%. In cases with complications, the rate may rise to 20–30%.[56] Increased immunization has led to an estimated 78% drop in measles deaths among UN member states.[57][58] This reduction made up 25% of the decline in mortality in children under five during this period.[citation needed]
    Even in countries where vaccination has been introduced, rates may remain high. In Ireland, vaccination was introduced in 1985. There were 99,903 cases that year. Within two years, the number of cases had fallen to 201, but this fall was not sustained. Measles is a leading cause of vaccine-preventable childhood mortality. Worldwide, the fatality rate has been significantly reduced by a vaccination campaign led by partners in the Measles Initiative: the American Red Cross, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the United Nations Foundation, UNICEF and the WHO. Globally, measles fell 60% from an estimated 873,000 deaths in 1999 to 345,000 in 2005.[34] Estimates for 2008 indicate deaths fell further to 164,000 globally, with 77% of the remaining measles deaths in 2008 occurring within the Southeast Asian region.[63]
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    Then we have complications which compound the problem
    Complications with measles are relatively common, ranging from mild complications such as diarrhea to serious complications such as pneumonia (either direct viral pneumonia or secondary bacterial pneumonia),[10] otitis media,[11] acute brain inflammation[12] (and very rarely SSPE—subacute sclerosing panencephalitis),[13] and corneal ulceration (leading to corneal scarring).[14] Complications are usually more severe in adults who catch the virus.[15] The death rate in the 1920s was around 30% for measles pneumonia.[16]

    Between 1987 and 2000, the case fatality rate across the United States was three measles-attributable deaths per 1000 cases, or 0.3%.[17] In underdeveloped nations with high rates of malnutrition and poor healthcare, fatality rates have been as high as 28%.[17] In immunocompromised persons (e.g., people with AIDS) the fatality rate is approximately 30%.[18] Risk factors for severe measles and its complications include: malnutrition;[19][20] underlying immunodeficiency;[19] pregnancy;[19][21] and vitamin A deficiency.[19][22]
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