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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Vaccines don't cause autism because the doctor who came up with the research completely fabricated it. What we have now is people continuing to repeat his false claims and absurd work. Welcome to 21st century America, where even the work of a discredited crank can live way past its expiration date.
    Are you referencing Andrew Wakefield?

    Because Wakefield was not looking to discredit vaccines at all. His claim was because autistic children tend to have problems in the bowels, that there could be a link and even the source for autism.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    It's impossible to really have a proper adult conversation about this issue because the media has already sensationalized it, and their sycophants are already dividing people into the camps of column A and column B.

    My children weren't vaccinated and neither was I. I'm not part of a "movement". I don't get together with other "anti-vaccers" (such a stupid term) to plot against the system and convince people to not vaccinate.

    If suddenly there is a true epidemic of a virulent plague and millions of people start dying, I'd probably consider getting vaccinated against that disease. Until then, the extreme views on vaccination, including taking away a person's right to choose, are totally hyperbolic. And when it comes to things like the flu vaccine, I don't trust corporate interests.

    The root of epidemic disease is unhealthy populations with inadequate resources. Look at the average American diet and waistline and tell me that we have healthy immune systems. There's high fructose corn syrup in everything, artificial ingredients that disrupt our hormone systems, and toxins. We eat calorie rich food that is lacking in nutrients -- most Americans are actually starving, by definition. Most Americans get only 2 weeks of vacation per year, if that, so our stress levels are through the roof.

    We wiped out disease in the 20th century because we learned about epidemiology, improved our standard of living, had supportive labor laws, and grew our health systems. Yes, vaccines played a role in that. Now the pendulum is swinging the other way because the church of money has corrupted our food systems, our health care, basically every way of life that would otherwise serve as prevention for disease.

    Vaccines are a patch for a symptom that is part of a MUCH bigger problem. Nature will always adapt in order to cull the weak.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Care to make any other bogus statistic up, or are we done?
    Flu vaccines worthless and dangerous | Vaccination Information Network

    The CDC put out an advisory this year that 52% of the cases of influenza this year are from a strain that has 'drifted' from the vaccine strain so greatly that it will have no impact on recipients. The current years vaccines are ALWAYS made from the last years strain, meaning the efficacy is always questionable, depending on the level of mutation in the virus.

    Im not anti-vaccine in general but I havent had a flu-shot in over 20 years. Ive had flu like symptoms a few times and my body has managed to fight them off.

    Now...if they ever develop a vaccine against summer colds? I'm all over that!

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hmm...

    Along side ADHD rates increasing, the rate of kids watching TV has increased.

    The rate of kids eating fast food has increased.

    The rate of kids playing video games increased.

    The rate of kids using the internet increased.

    The rate of kids having access to tablets and smartphones increased

    Amongst other things...

    Better keep your kids away from TV, video games, fast food, the internet, electronics, amongst other things since all those things have been increasing as well then it must be treated as if they cause ADHD until it can be proven 100% that they don't.

    Correlation doesn't equal causation
    I correlate the rate of increase of ADHD and Autism diagnosis to ****ty parenting syndrome.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Flu vaccines worthless and dangerous | Vaccination Information Network

    The CDC put out an advisory this year that 52% of the cases of influenza this year are from a strain that has 'drifted' from the vaccine strain so greatly that it will have no impact on recipients. The current years vaccines are ALWAYS made from the last years strain, meaning the efficacy is always questionable, depending on the level of mutation in the virus.

    Im not anti-vaccine in general but I havent had a flu-shot in over 20 years. Ive had flu like symptoms a few times and my body has managed to fight them off.

    Now...if they ever develop a vaccine against summer colds? I'm all over that!
    There's suppose to be a study that states once you've had the flu, you'll be partially protected from future instances of the flu, shortening and/or lessening it's severity.

    If I can find it, I'll post it.

    Anecdotally, most people I know who've had the flu, only suffered from it once. But, most of my friends would never take a flu vaccine anyway.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    There's suppose to be a study that states once you've had the flu, you'll be partially protected from future instances of the flu, shortening and/or lessening it's severity.

    If I can find it, I'll post it.

    Anecdotally, most people I know who've had the flu, only suffered from it once. But, most of my friends would never take a flu vaccine anyway.
    The theory is fine. Inject a body with small amounts of inert virus and allow the body to build a natural resistance. One of our problems is that we arent letting our bodies build resistance. We are on drugs for EVERYTHING.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Are you referencing Andrew Wakefield?

    Because Wakefield was not looking to discredit vaccines at all. His claim was because autistic children tend to have problems in the bowels, that there could be a link and even the source for autism.
    No on said he was, what was state was that his work had been discredited. That is a fact. Do you deny it?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Flu vaccines worthless and dangerous | Vaccination Information Network

    The CDC put out an advisory this year that 52% of the cases of influenza this year are from a strain that has 'drifted' from the vaccine strain so greatly that it will have no impact on recipients. The current years vaccines are ALWAYS made from the last years strain, meaning the efficacy is always questionable, depending on the level of mutation in the virus.

    Im not anti-vaccine in general but I havent had a flu-shot in over 20 years. Ive had flu like symptoms a few times and my body has managed to fight them off.

    Now...if they ever develop a vaccine against summer colds? I'm all over that!
    Nowhere does that source (granting that we will stoop to calling a fear mongering website a source) state that the flu vaccine is a waste of time for 95% of the population. You just made that figure up out of thin air.

    And by the way, the accuracy and truthfulness of the article you listed has been thoroughly disputed. Addtionally, the article cited in that source was in an opinion column, and is not actually a peer-reviewed study. Peter Doshi, the man behind the cited article, is neither a virologist nor a epidemiologist, but rather an anthropologist who completed a fellowship in comparative effectiveness research at Johns Hopkins. He conducted no research about influenza or vaccines at Johns Hopkins, nor does he speak for the university on that subject.

    More bunk. Surprise surprise.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Just heard on the radio this morning on the way in to work that this year there have been less that 70 deaths this season in the US from flu.
    That's good news. ( not for the families of those who died of course)

    I know my grandson was hospitalized 2003 when he was under a year old and he was very ill.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Nowhere does that source (granting that we will stoop to calling a fear mongering website a source) state that the flu vaccine is a waste of time for 95% of the population. You just made that figure up out of thin air.

    And by the way, the accuracy and truthfulness of the article you listed has been thoroughly disputed. Addtionally, the article cited in that source was in an opinion column, and is not actually a peer-reviewed study. Peter Doshi, the man behind the cited article, is neither a virologist nor a epidemiologist, but rather an anthropologist who completed a fellowship in comparative effectiveness research at Johns Hopkins. He conducted no research about influenza or vaccines at Johns Hopkins, nor does he speak for the university on that subject.

    More bunk. Surprise surprise.
    Got your panties twisted too I see. Theres a lot of that going around.

    Nowhere did I offer the 95% figure. I was contributing to a conversation...and apparently to your butthurt status. You are responding like you own stock in a vaccine company. Re ****ing lax already.

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