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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I do have a reason... my daughter almost died from the MMR vaccine. Child ADHD and SIDS rates are high and even increasing... children die and have serious reactions to vaccines including brain seizures.



    The same never changing one... My oldest got her vaccinations until her 1 year-old MMR vaccine and had an adverse reaction, as I have stated. My youngest is not vaccinated at all, as I have stated.

    At this point, according to the science, kids should get vaccinated. Test your kid for allergies first though. Vaccines should NEVER be mandatory though.

    EDIT: Fine. Accepted. And No... it isn't.
    Unless she had an allergic reaction no she didn't. There is no connection between vaccines and ADHD or SIDS.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Perhaps because your anecdotal doctor is statistically irrelevant.
    But that's not possible in your view of the perfection of all in the medical field.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Unless she had an allergic reaction no she didn't. There is no connection between vaccines and ADHD or SIDS.
    BUT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, isn't it? Vaccinates are 100% for 100% of people 100% of the time anyone parent who refuses should be imprisoned. Isn't that how the slogan goes?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Why, because the antivaccine movement needs a playboy model to get out your message while I only need the scientific community? Get over it -- idiots are behind the anti-vaccine movement, and you're lining up behind them.
    Obviously you put a lot of stock in her.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Give me a break, we at one point had near universal vaccination in this country and nowhere near 10,000 children were killed by vaccines. Your numbers and assertions are not backed up by any level of science in the stew not dignify a response
    So much for the prior strawman of kids in school who can't get vaccinations.

    Looking over this thread, the number of children you are willing to have die for your loyalty to big pharma is 1000.

    Is that 1,000 children killed per year? Per vaccination?

    Sacrifice your own children. Do you have any to sacrifice for the greater good?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    BUT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, isn't it? Vaccinates are 100% for 100% of people 100% of the time anyone parent who refuses should be imprisoned. Isn't that how the slogan goes?
    You need to reverse your tinfoil hat. It isn't effective against the BigPharma satellites unless you turn it inside out.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    You might want to read up on the 1918 flu before you get too blase about the flu.
    We didn't have a lot of the options we have today almost 100 years ago. Things like internet, cell phones, 911, ambulances, Tylenol, Gatorade, temporal thermometers, Tamiflu, etc. You might want to consider some of these before you get your panties in a wad.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    We didn't have a lot of the options we have today almost 100 years ago. Things like internet, cell phones, 911, ambulances, Tylenol, Gatorade, temporal thermometers, Tamiflu, etc. You might want to consider some of these before you get your panties in a wad.
    From the CDC estimating number of US deaths each year from flu:


    The CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.
    Estimating Seasonal Influenza-Associated Deaths in the United States: CDC Study Confirms Variability of Flu | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    From the MMR vaccine insert:

    ADVERSE REACTIONS
    The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality, within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:

    Body as a Whole
    Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.

    Cardiovascular System
    Vasculitis.

    Digestive System
    Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea. 7

    Endocrine System
    Diabetes mellitus.

    Hemic and Lymphatic System
    Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS, Thrombocytopenia); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy; leukocytosis.

    Immune System
    Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or without an allergic history.

    Musculoskeletal System
    Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia.

    Nervous System
    Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) (see
    CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS);
    acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM); transverse myelitis; febrile convulsions; afebrile
    convulsions or seizures[/B]; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia.
    [B]Experience from more than 80 million doses of all live measles vaccines given in the U.S. through
    1975 indicates that significant central nervous system reactions such as encephalitis and
    encephalopathy, occurring within 30 days after vaccination, have been temporally associated with
    measles vaccine very rarely.{58} In no case has it been shown that reactions were actually caused by
    vaccine. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has pointed out that "a certain number of cases
    of encephalitis may be expected to occur in a large childhood population in a defined period of time even
    when no vaccines are administered". However, the data suggest the possibility that some of these cases
    may have been caused by measles vaccines. The risk of such serious neurological disorders following
    live measles virus vaccine administration remains far less than that for encephalitis and encephalopathy
    with wild-type measles (one per two thousand reported cases).

    There have been reports of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) in children who did not have
    a history of infection with wild-type measles but did receive measles vaccine. Some of these cases may
    have resulted from unrecognized measles in the first year of life or possibly from the measles vaccination.
    Based on estimated nationwide measles vaccine distribution, the association of SSPE cases to measles
    vaccination is about one case per million vaccine doses distributed. This is far less than the association
    with infection with wild-type measles, 6-22 cases of SSPE per million cases of measles. The results of a
    retrospective case-controlled study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
    suggest that the overall effect of measles vaccine has been to protect against SSPE by preventing
    measles with its inherent higher risk of SSPE.{59}

    Respiratory System
    Pneumonia; pneumonitis (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); sore throat; cough; rhinitis.

    Skin
    Stevens-Johnson syndrome; erythema multiforme; urticaria; rash; measles-like rash; pruritis.
    Local reactions including burning/stinging at injection site; wheal and flare; redness (erythema);
    swelling; induration; tenderness; vesiculation at injection site.

    Special Senses — Ear
    Nerve deafness; otitis media.

    Special Senses — Eye
    Retinitis; optic neuritis; papillitis; retrobulbar neuritis; conjunctivitis.

    Urogenital System
    Epididymitis; orchitis.

    Other
    Death from various, and in some cases unknown, causes has been reported rarely following
    vaccination with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines; however, a causal relationship has not been
    established in healthy individuals (see CONTRAINDICATIONS). No deaths or permanent sequelae were
    reported in a published post-marketing surveillance study in Finland involving 1.5 million children and
    adults who were vaccinated with M-M-R II during 1982 to 1993.{60}

    Under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, health-care providers and manufacturers
    are required to record and report certain suspected adverse events occurring within specific time periods
    after vaccination. However, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has established
    a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) which will accept all reports of suspected
    events.{49} A VAERS report form as well as information regarding reporting requirements can be
    obtained by calling VAERS 1-800-822-7967.

    This is far from a black and white issue.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    From the MMR vaccine insert:

    ADVERSE REACTIONS
    The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality, within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing ....

    This is far from a black and white issue.
    I agree.
    All medications can have adverse reactions even a baby aspirin.

    Let's put some numbers with the adverse reactions of the measles vaccination.


    Side Effects and Adverse Reactions

    More than 240 million doses of measles vaccine were distributed in the United States from 1963 through 1993. The vaccine has an excellent record of safety. From 5% to 15% of vaccinees may develop a temperature of ≥103 F (≥39.4 C) beginning 5–12 days after vaccination and usually lasting several days (19 ). Most persons with fever are otherwise asymptomatic.
    Transient rashes have been reported for approxi- mately 5% of vaccinees.

    Central nervous system (CNS) conditions, including en- cephalitis and encephalopathy, have been reported with a frequency of less than one per million doses administered.


    The incidence of encephalitis or encephalopathy after measles vaccination of healthy children is lower than the observed incidence of en- cephalitis of unknown etiology.

    This finding suggests that the reported severe neurologic disorders temporally associated with measles vaccination were not caused by the vaccine. These adverse events should be anticipated only in susceptible vac- cinees and do not appear to be age-related. After revaccination, most reactions should be expected to occur only among the small proportion of persons who failed to re- spond to the first dose.
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    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/rr/rr4512.pdf
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