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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anytime you see a drug advertised on tv they usually list a bunch of potential harmful side effects like this drug cures or treats this but there is risk you can get bleeding, cancer or other health complications and you shouldn't take this drug if you have these condition or you take these medications. If you look on the back of aspirin, nyqil and other medicine there is potential harmful side effects. There is even potential harmful side effects if you take too many vitamins. So someone is lying when they say vaccines are perfectly safe. Whether or not autism is one of those side effects or that the people who got autism already had it or it was preexisting conditions which gave them autism I do not know. Maybe there are minute risks of autism but there is a greater good of getting people vaccinate that is the better result.
    This is America. We don't do "For the Greater Good". What are you some liberal who wants to take aways guns or somethin'?

    I don't care if people get vaccinated or not. I have been vaccinated as a child and as an adult for more things than most people get in the US, but if someone else wants to roll the dice, so be it. I am not going to be holier than thou about it when there are so many other stupid things people do than this without much outrage.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anytime you see a drug advertised on tv they usually list a bunch of potential harmful side effects like this drug cures or treats this but there is risk you can get bleeding, cancer or other health complications and you shouldn't take this drug if you have these condition or you take these medications. If you look on the back of aspirin, nyqil and other medicine there is potential harmful side effects. There is even potential harmful side effects if you take too many vitamins. So someone is lying when they say vaccines are perfectly safe. Whether or not autism is one of those side effects or that the people who got autism already had it or it was preexisting conditions which gave them autism I do not know. Maybe there are minute risks of autism but there is a greater good of getting people vaccinate that is the better result.
    The vaccines on the CDC recommended vaccine schedule are by far the safest medical procedures available. Take the following example:

    Hep B vaccine severe complication rates: 1 in 1.1 million
    NSAID severe complication rates: 15 in 100,000

    Thus it is an order of magnitude more dangerous to take a Motrin for a ache or pain than it is to receive the Hep B vaccine.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    This is America. We don't do "For the Greater Good". What are you some liberal who wants to take aways guns or somethin'?

    I don't care if people get vaccinated or not. I have been vaccinated as a child and as an adult for more things than most people get in the US, but if someone else wants to roll the dice, so be it. I am not going to be holier than thou about it when there are so many other stupid things people do than this without much outrage.
    Where do you come up with this crap? Of course we do for the greater good here. What do you think parks are? Why do you think you can't dump your used oil in a neighborhood stream? Why do you think Typhoid Mary was quarantined rather than allowed to continue to cook for NY area families? Why do you think we have a public school system? We do all sorts of things for the greater good in this country and always have. We particularly do things for the greater good when it relates to public health.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Dumping oil in a stream is comparable to not getting vaccine how?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Vaccines make make you immune to only certain strains of a virus, not immune all the strains of a virus.
    Which is objectively better than being immune to zero strains of a virus.

    According to this cdc article vaccinated children can still become a asymptomatic carrier of the whooping cough.So even the vaccinated kids are still a threat to those who can not be vaccinated.

    Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel - Volume 6, Number 5
    Also objectively better to not being vaccinated.

    For some reason, you seem to be going off some sort of standard of perfection. Vaccines aren't perfect. Nothing is.

    Sometimes, you really are better off not wearing a seat belt. That doesn't mean not wearing a seat belt is a good decision.

    Didn't the Europeans who came to the New World have a herd immunity?
    Um, no. They hadn't figured out vaccinations. Nowhere near a large enough portion of the population was immune.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anytime you see a drug advertised on tv they usually list a bunch of potential harmful side effects like this drug cures or treats this but there is risk you can get bleeding, cancer or other health complications and you shouldn't take this drug if you have these condition or you take these medications. If you look on the back of aspirin, nyqil and other medicine there is potential harmful side effects. There is even potential harmful side effects if you take too many vitamins. So someone is lying when they say vaccines are perfectly safe. Whether or not autism is one of those side effects or that the people who got autism already had it or it was preexisting conditions which gave them autism I do not know. Maybe there are minute risks of autism but there is a greater good of getting people vaccinate that is the better result.
    Vaccines do not cause autism. Period. There is absolutely no evidence linking the two.

    The entire idea comes from a single study which was proven to be fraud. The "scientist" was trying to scare people off the MMR vaccine so he could sell more doses of a vaccine he had a patent on. So he fabricated data and suggested that the "mercury" in the vaccine caused autism.

    1) It's not mercury. It's thimerosol.
    2) The data was fabricated, there's no correlation with autism
    3) We don't even use it anymore
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    I swear these greater good arguments remind me of people in a cult. It's a like a chant or something..

    The greater good...the greater good....the greater good...

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    The anti-vaccination movement is so stupid it almost makes my blood boil. Even if vaccinations and autism were related in any way, shape, or form I rather live with my child being a potato then for him to catch Measles and die.
    Do you really think your kid would die of the measles?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you really think your kid would die of the measles?
    No, but then again I plan to vaccinate my children.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Where do you come up with this crap? Of course we do for the greater good here. What do you think parks are? Why do you think you can't dump your used oil in a neighborhood stream? Why do you think Typhoid Mary was quarantined rather than allowed to continue to cook for NY area families? Why do you think we have a public school system? We do all sorts of things for the greater good in this country and always have. We particularly do things for the greater good when it relates to public health.
    There are people who still change their own oil? What is this--the stone ages?

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