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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Vaccines do not cause autism. Period. There is absolutely no evidence linking the two.

    The entire idea comes from a single study which was proven to be fraud. The "scientist" was trying to scare people off the MMR vaccine so he could sell more doses of a vaccine he had a patent on. So he fabricated data and suggested that the "mercury" in the vaccine caused autism.

    1) It's not mercury. It's thimerosol.
    2) The data was fabricated, there's no correlation with autism
    3) We don't even use it anymore
    Oh yes companies and governments always tell the truth.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which is objectively better than being immune to zero strains of a virus.



    Also objectively better to not being vaccinated.

    For some reason, you seem to be going off some sort of standard of perfection. Vaccines aren't perfect. Nothing is.

    Sometimes, you really are better off not wearing a seat belt. That doesn't mean not wearing a seat belt is a good decision.



    Um, no. They hadn't figured out vaccinations. Nowhere near a large enough portion of the population was immune.
    The point was is that the Europeans who came here had immunity but the natives whom they came into contact with didn't.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    This is America. We don't do "For the Greater Good". What are you some liberal who wants to take aways guns or somethin'?
    Actually we do a lot of things for the greater good.Wars in defense of this nation;laws against murder,theft and other crimes; Zoning regulations to ensure that your next door neighbor can not turn his house into a toxic waste dump or shooting range, and so on
    I don't care if people get vaccinated or not.
    Neither do I.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
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    Well if the vast majority of people get vaccinated like you say - only the ones who don't get vaccinated have to worry. Isn't it up to them if they want to take that risk or not... or is should it be forced upon them for the "common good"?
    And that includes all infants under a year old.

    Measles can be carried for up to week before the carrier knows he/ she has been a carrier.
    All infants that were near the carrier were exposed. Any item the carrier touched/ coughed / sneezed nearby can spread the measles to an unvaccinated person/ infant for up to 2 hours after it was touched or sneezed/coughed near.

    Measles is among the most contagious disease since it is it airborne and the carrier carries the disease for several days before he/ she knows they have the disease.

    The possibility of deaths happening from this outbreak in the US is more realistic and should be much scarier to anyone who knows / loves an infant than the recent Ebola scare in the US.

    I know I am scared for my 2 grandchildren ( 7 months and 11 months ) who are still too young to get vaccinated.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
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    Then what about the non-understanding of what causes SIDS is opinionated? ...
    The Measles vaccine does not cause SIDS.
    That is a given.

    SIDS happens to infants under 1 year of age and children have to be between 12 and 15 months before they receive their first MMR ( measles, mumps, rubella) injection.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You don't have to eat at a restaurant nor get in a plane or a car, for that matter. Forcing injections into a person is not analogous to his or your argument. Not even close.
    Correct. Everybody has to live in society and interact with other people, which is why vaccinations are even more important than airline safety regulations. I can choose to avoid air travel, but I can't choose to avoid people.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    When we withheld vaccinations one of the primary reasons was because we wanted our children to contract a disease so that they could specifically spread it to kill people...

    ... how did you figure out our creative plan? Was it on CSI?
    Your ex is probably trying to kill you....

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    From a Recent ( Jan29,2015) USA Today article


    Some examples of the disruption: Arizona has diagnosed only seven cases of measles, but those infected people have exposed as many as 1,000 others, including babies too young to have had their first measles shot, according to the Arizona Department of Health Services. Doctors recommend that unvaccinated people exposed to measles be quarantined for three weeks, the measles incubation period.

    The CDC recommends that children receive a first measles shot around age 1 and a second at ages 4 to 6 before beginning kindergarten.

    The Arizona measles cases began with one unvaccinated family of four from Pinal County that went to Disneyland, according to state health officials. Back at home, one of the children went to two urgent-care centers for medical attention, exposing 18 children, 13 of whom were unvaccinated. That family also exposed a woman from Maricopa County, who then exposed as many as 195 children at a child care center. A man who caught measles from the family then exposed others.

    Although the routine spread of measles was eliminated in the USA in 2000, a low rate of vaccination in some communities has allowed the virus —

    one of the most contagious — to make a comeback, says Walter Orenstein, a professor and associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center in Atlanta. Measles vaccination rates range from a low of 81% of kindergarten students in Colorado to a high of nearly 100% in Mississippi.

    The current generation of parents has no experience with measles, Orenstein points out. A growing number have skipped or delayed children's vaccines because of debunked myths about vaccines causing autism, Orenstein says.

    "People don't see these diseases, they don't fear these diseases, and they don't know how serious these diseases can be," he says.
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    Measles has infected 84 people in 14 states this year
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Oh yes companies and governments always tell the truth.
    The government sometimes lies to you, yes. And businesses do too.

    And Andrew Wakefield was one of those lying businessmen. He had a competing product he wanted to push and he fabricated data. Why are you excusing his fraud?


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The point was is that the Europeans who came here had immunity but the natives whom they came into contact with didn't.
    Only Europeans who had been exposed to the disease would have been immune. Not enough to prevent a spread. Herd immunity only functions when a high percentage of the population is immune. Having only 20% of your population immune is like only putting security on 20% of the entrances to a building. Why bother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is the thing... they do not know what is causing the rise in any of those except to say that it is 100% NOT VACCINES. No way. Couldn't happen. Never.

    When your child almost dies days after a vaccine and the adverse reactions mirror the CDC adverse reaction sheet and you ask the doctor if the vaccine might be a cause and that doctor actually laughs at you even though they just concluded that they have no idea what the actual cause was? Well, excuse independent and intelligent rational people from not wondering what the **** is going on.
    There's as much evidence that vaccines cause autism or ADHD as there is evidence that you posting on a web forum causes it. Obviously, you should start questioning how healthy it is for your children if you post on a message board and refrain from doing so until you can 100% prove it has no effect. And using the standard you use for vaccines, which seemingly is that having zero evidence that it DOES cause it doesn't mean you have 100% evidence it doesn't.

    You better stop using the forum Bodhisattva, you know....for the kids. Because you just don't don't 100% it won't cause them to get autism or die.

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