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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Mandatory vaccinations are the answer. Charges should be filed against those who refuse to comply and only medical exemptions should be allowed.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The uproar over vaccinations being connected to Autism was bunk. The Brit MD who was involved in creating this crap is no longer permitted to practice.
    Perhaps, but apparently the government telling people measles had been vanquished here was bunk too. Maybe they should keep such things secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Would you rather him live as a potato than scratch for a week and live a normal life? You do not get to choose what the side-effects will be. They happen or they don't.

    I think you have Measles confused with another disease.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Perhaps, but apparently the government telling people measles had been vanquished here was bunk too. Maybe they should keep such things secret
    Of course it is bunk. Once a certain percentage go the no vaccination route, only a matter of time for an outbreak to begin.
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    The anti-vaxers are incredibly ignorant, self centered idiots. They refuse to understand the settled science on this.

    Their kids should be kept out of any public school.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Many schools demand students have vaccinations. Thoughts on vaccination are? Consider the costs of not having your child vaccinated- not always money- but health risks to themselves and others.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/us...=top-news&_r=0

    HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

    Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.
    Forgive my ignorance but how are people with no vaccines a threat to people with vaccines? It seems to me if children at those birthday parties,play dates and other social functions are already vaccinated then their parents should nothing to worry about from the kids who do not have vaccines.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Forgive my ignorance but how are people with no vaccines a threat to people with vaccines? It seems to me if children at those birthday parties,play dates and other social functions are already vaccinated then their parents should nothing to worry about from the kids who do not have vaccines.
    This question is asked a hundred times in every single vaccine thread.

    Some children are too young to be vaccinated. These same children are particularly vulnerable to infectious disease.

    Some people are immunocompromised so cannot be vaccinated, and are similarly vulnerable.

    Some people are allergic to materials in the vaccine (usually the preservatives). These people cannot be vaccinated.

    Sometimes vaccines wear off or the immunity doesn't take hold.

    All of these people are put at greater risk by someone choosing not to be vaccinated.

    Additionally, a critical mass of immunizations creates a herd immunity. The virus cannot find enough hosts to spread to, so becomes self-contained. More available hosts also leaves more ability to mutate as well, potentially reducing the effectiveness of the vaccine.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    The anti-vaxers are incredibly ignorant, self centered idiots. They refuse to understand the settled science on this.

    Their kids should be kept out of any public school.
    Perhaps, but then people complain about kids shouldn't be homeschooled.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This question is asked a hundred times in every single vaccine thread.

    Some children are too young to be vaccinated. These same children are particularly vulnerable to infectious disease.

    Some people are immunocompromised so cannot be vaccinated, and are similarly vulnerable.

    Some people are allergic to materials in the vaccine (usually the preservatives). These people cannot be vaccinated.

    Sometimes vaccines wear off or the immunity doesn't take hold.

    All of these people are put at greater risk by someone choosing not to be vaccinated.


    Vaccines make make you immune to only certain strains of a virus, not immune all the strains of a virus.
    According to this cdc article vaccinated children can still become a asymptomatic carrier of the whooping cough.So even the vaccinated kids are still a threat to those who can not be vaccinated.

    Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel - Volume 6, Number 5

    Additionally, a critical mass of immunizations creates a herd immunity. The virus cannot find enough hosts to spread to, so becomes self-contained. More available hosts also leaves more ability to mutate as well, potentially reducing the effectiveness of the vaccine
    Didn't the Europeans who came to the New World have a herd immunity?
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-31-15 at 05:47 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Perhaps, but apparently the government telling people measles had been vanquished here was bunk too. Maybe they should keep such things secret
    Anytime you see a drug advertised on tv they usually list a bunch of potential harmful side effects like this drug cures or treats this but there is risk you can get bleeding, cancer or other health complications and you shouldn't take this drug if you have these condition or you take these medications. If you look on the back of aspirin, nyqil and other medicine there is potential harmful side effects. There is even potential harmful side effects if you take too many vitamins. So someone is lying when they say vaccines are perfectly safe. Whether or not autism is one of those side effects or that the people who got autism already had it or it was preexisting conditions which gave them autism I do not know. Maybe there are minute risks of autism but there is a greater good of getting people vaccinate that is the better result.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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