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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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    The article I cited is an Onion article, and it pretty much covers how utterly ridiculous the anti-vaccine arguments are.
    Understood... but still a drama filled whine-fest. Obviously that does not represent their argument and some anti-vaccine arguments are legitimate.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    And how do we even know that the vaccine is effective or safe now that we are finding the FDA is clearing drugs that are not safe?

    According to two Merck scientists who filed a False Claims Act complaint in 2010 -- a complaint which was unsealed three years ago -- vaccine manufacturer Merck knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine test data, spiked blood samples with animal antibodies, sold a vaccine that actually promoted mumps and measles outbreaks, and ripped off governments and consumers who bought the vaccine thinking it was "95% effective."

    Learn more: MMR measles vaccine clinical trial results FAKED by Big Pharma - shocking U.S. court documents reveal all - NaturalNews.com


    http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/d...Claims-Act.pdf

    PHILADELPHIA (CN) - Merck has known for a decade that its mumps vaccine is "far less effective" than it tells the government, and it falsified test results and sold millions of doses of "questionable efficacy," flooding and monopolizing the market, a primary caregiver claims in a federal antitrust class action.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And how do we even know that the vaccine is effective or safe now that we are finding the FDA is clearing drugs that are not safe?

    According to two Merck scientists who filed a False Claims Act complaint in 2010 -- a complaint which was unsealed three years ago -- vaccine manufacturer Merck knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine test data, spiked blood samples with animal antibodies, sold a vaccine that actually promoted mumps and measles outbreaks, and ripped off governments and consumers who bought the vaccine thinking it was "95% effective."

    Learn more: MMR measles vaccine clinical trial results FAKED by Big Pharma - shocking U.S. court documents reveal all - NaturalNews.com


    http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/d...Claims-Act.pdf

    PHILADELPHIA (CN) - Merck has known for a decade that its mumps vaccine is "far less effective" than it tells the government, and it falsified test results and sold millions of doses of "questionable efficacy," flooding and monopolizing the market, a primary caregiver claims in a federal antitrust class action.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Natural news
    The source I actually cared about was the other one...
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The source I actually cared about was the other one...
    It was a False Claim lawsuit. Seems like they must have lost since there were no updates since Wednesday, June 27, 2012.

    From the link:



    Merck spokesman Ron Rogers told Courthouse News in a statement that the False Claims lawsuit "is completely without merit," and that Chatom's lawsuit is merely derivative of that case.


    "Merck has presented information that demonstrated to the United States Department of Justice that these allegations are factually false, and after the Department conducted its own two-year investigation, it decided not to pursue this lawsuit," Rogers said.
    In addition, he said, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration "previously examined the issues raised in the lawsuit, and they were resolved to the agency's satisfaction."

    Chatom seeks to represent the class of all those who bought Merck's mumps vaccine from Jan. 1, 1999 to today.
    It seeks damages for monopolization under the Sherman Act, violation of state consumer protection laws, unjust enrichment and breach of warranty.
    http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    A few snips from an editorial on Courthouse News.


    Measles, Fear and Ignorance




    When I taught journalism at a community college, my final assignment was to write a piece of investigative journalism. The students had to clear the topic with me, and they had all semester to think about it.

    One year one student, a mom, said she wanted to do an article on vaccines and autism.
    No, I said. There is no science that supports that. ...

    She insisted. So I finally said, OK, you can do it, but you have to cite credible sources. You can't base it on conspiracy websites on the Internet.


    So. The end of the term came and she read her paper in class, like everyone else. When she was done, I asked her, kindly, about her sources.
    Did you talk to any medical doctors?
    Did you talk to the Centers for Disease Control or the American Medical Association?...

    No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
    Where did you get all this information?
    From the Internet. ...

    "That's not research," I said. "I told you that before you started."
    She was on the verge of tears, so I stopped and called on the next student.

    When class ended, I asked the mom to see me for a few minutes.
    When everyone else had cleared out, I said: Pardon me for asking, but do you have an autistic child?
    Of course she did. We talked for quite a while. I sympathized with her - how could I not?

    I used about 30 seconds of our time to remind her that I had told her that searching the Internet for people who agree with you is not research. It's not investigation. It's something else.
    People who are suffering hurt. When the suffering is great, and prolonged, they look for a reason - all right, I'll say it: They look for someone to blame.
    But life's not that simple.


    It's natural for parents to look for an explanation if their child is suffering. There is nothing wrong with that - even if they come up with an explanation that is wrong, and cling to it.

    But there is something wrong indeed about politicians who wield immense power, and who want to wield even more, who use children's suffering, and parents' ignorance, to try to claw their way a little higher over all of us.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    It was a False Claim lawsuit. Seems like they must have lost since there were no updates since Wednesday, June 27, 2012.

    From the link:



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    FYI (from http://blogs.wsj.com/pharmalot/2014/...mumps-vaccine/):

    UPDATE: Kellie Lerner, who represents vaccine purchasers, sent us this note: "Contrary to Merck's assertions, the Department of Justice has submitted documents to the court affirming its 'strong interest in the outcome' of the case, and clarifying that its decision not to intervene 'should not be interpreted as a comment on the merits.' More importantly, the government has preserved its right to intervene later in the proceedings. Based on the government's submissions to the court, we take issue with any assertion that the government has definitively concluded to not pursue this case."

    ANOTHER UPDATE: Keller Grover and Constantine Cannon, lawyers who represent the whistleblowers, wrote this: "We disagree with Merck's assertion that the government was aware of and resolved the issues raised in the lawsuit. As the district court made clear in its decision, the whistleblowers 'allege that their former employer fraudulently misled the government and omitted, concealed and adulterated material information regarding the efficacy of its mumps vaccine... (includin) deliberately obfuscating or providing incomplete information to the FDA.' "
    The claims are at least strong enough to have Merck's motion to dismiss denied. We'll see what happens. It is interesting how little reporting there is on this. The media probably doesn't what to create any undue fear before people get the measles vaccine thrust on them.
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