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Thread: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    My thoughts...

    We have not only prevented small pox epidemics but we eradicated the disease.
    I had to have a smallpox vaccination before I started school in the early 1950s but my children who are in their 30s and early 40s did not need the vaccination because the disease was eradicated.

    Our goal should be to eradicate measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, whooping cough , polio diphtheria, so children and adults of future generations do not have worry about epidemics of those diseases anymore.
    Is anyone arguing with such sound policy. (Its rhetorical)
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Epidemics always "rage" through schools. And it works just fine right now. People are acting like we have had vaccines for everything that is vaccinated for for decades. We haven't had most of these vaccines until recently. Even the second MMR came about after I started school.
    But the point is - epidemics DON'T rage through schools anymore, when everyone is vaccinated.

    And even if the kid doesn't die from being sick, they lose school time, their parents may lose time from work (if they both work), and there may be complications for the kid.

    Why put up with all that if we don't have to?

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Then we should be allowed to bar these people from public places.
    You can't just bar people from all public places even if they are much more likely to get disease. Public schools are one thing, and it might even be fine for private schools or YMCA sports leagues, but barring someone from going to public places is a little excessive not to mention an infringement on basic rights.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by plb View Post
    You can't just bar people from all public places even if they are much more likely to get disease. Public schools are one thing, and it might even be fine for private schools or YMCA sports leagues, but barring someone from going to public places is a little excessive not to mention an infringement on basic rights.
    I'd agree with that.

    What about proof of up to date immunization before traveling to another country, since that's been the cause of a couple outbreaks lately?

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That would be fine if the vaccine was for something like cancer. If you wanted to risk cancer and didn't mind paying the extra costs of higher insurance premiums, great. Cancer isn't contagious so your choice doesn't affect me. But with highly communicable diseases, your decision to not vaccinate puts others at risk. Worse, IMO, in a world where the vaccination rate is high enough that the risks of these preventable diseases is still small, your decision is a selfish one and privatizes the benefits of widespread vaccination, but socializes the costs, both in money and in others taking the small risk of side effects. In other words, anti-vaxers are freeloaders.

    So as a general rule, society has the right and obligation to mandate (at least some) vaccinations to protect public health, with very limited exceptions.
    Society does not have the right to violate the bodies of its citizens, as Roe v Wade demosntrated.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I'd agree with that.

    What about proof of up to date immunization before traveling to another country, since that's been the cause of a couple outbreaks lately?
    So now we are suggesting banning the freedom to travel? How about up to date proof before leaving your house while we are at it?
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    But the point is - epidemics DON'T rage through schools anymore, when everyone is vaccinated.
    When did epidemics "rage through schools"?

    Why put up with all that if we don't have to?
    Get vaccinated and don't worry about it then...
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Then we should be allowed to bar these people from public places.
    1.24 MILLION people died from car accidents... ban cars first.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    When did epidemics "rage through schools"?

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    During the 50s epidemics of measles, mumps, and/or rubella would go through the schools.

    And since a disease like measles could take 7 to 18 days from exposure to breaking out and about a week to recover there were many days during the season when several students in each class were home sick.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Society does not have the right to violate the bodies of its citizens, as Roe v Wade demosntrated.
    Apples and giraffes. And the people who matter (the Black Robes) disagree with you. The relevant precedent was set in 1905 - Jacobson v. Massachusetts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I can't ever figure out how to post links to .pdf files, but an extensive discussion is titled, "Mandatory Vaccinations: Precedent and Current Laws" from the Congressional Research Office, May 21, 2014. Here's a quote from the challenger in Jacobson:

    The petitioner argued that “a compulsory vaccination law is unreasonable, arbitrary and oppressive, and, therefore, hostile to the inherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as to him seems best; and that the execution of such a law against one who objects to vaccination, no matter for what reason, is nothing short of an assault upon his person.”12
    Sounds like many of the arguments made on this thread, which the Supreme Court rejected in favor of the government having the ability to protect the common welfare. I can't imagine any court could find otherwise as it's a core purpose of government and the powers of a police state.

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