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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    There are a lot out there... but then you would just claim that they are not "legitimate", right?
    Show them to me. My question wouldn't be to just reject them (though some obviously should be). I would more likely wonder which side has more doctors supporting their cause.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Show them to me. My question wouldn't be to just reject them (though some obviously should be). I would more likely wonder which side has more doctors supporting their cause.
    Pro-vaccine has an overwhelming majority, I would think.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Which means more reason to vaccinate kids. So people aren't spreading it. The measles was down to almost nil numbers when people were intelligent and vaccinating. The numbers for why you should vaccinate are there. There is no other logical reason to not vaccinate, barring allergies.
    And that should still be a decision that people can make for themselves, made because people are able to make their case about how important vaccines are, not because the people are being forced to do it.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And that should still be a decision that people can make for themselves, made because people are able to make their case about how important vaccines are, not because the people are being forced to do it.
    That would be fine if the vaccine was for something like cancer. If you wanted to risk cancer and didn't mind paying the extra costs of higher insurance premiums, great. Cancer isn't contagious so your choice doesn't affect me. But with highly communicable diseases, your decision to not vaccinate puts others at risk. Worse, IMO, in a world where the vaccination rate is high enough that the risks of these preventable diseases is still small, your decision is a selfish one and privatizes the benefits of widespread vaccination, but socializes the costs, both in money and in others taking the small risk of side effects. In other words, anti-vaxers are freeloaders.

    So as a general rule, society has the right and obligation to mandate (at least some) vaccinations to protect public health, with very limited exceptions.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And that should still be a decision that people can make for themselves, made because people are able to make their case about how important vaccines are, not because the people are being forced to do it.
    Only people who want to put their kids into public schools are being forced to vaccinate their kids anyway. And that makes sense - it's a public health thing. No public school wants epidemics raging through the school.

    Maybe we should force it in other areas, but until recently that public schools strategy worked pretty well.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Only people who want to put their kids into public schools are being forced to vaccinate their kids anyway. And that makes sense - it's a public health thing. No public school wants epidemics raging through the school.

    Maybe we should force it in other areas, but until recently that public schools strategy worked pretty well.
    I agree.

    Actually , the childhood vaccinations are required in Mississippi and West Virginia to attend public school and those states make no exceptions ( other than medical reasons) ...not even religious beliefs.

    Here is some info on US schools regarding vaccinations.

    While all states require an immunization record, this does not mean that all students must get vaccinated. Opting out is a state-by-state law; some states allow parents to opt out for a variety of reasons, but all states do require an immunization record at schools.


    Some of the exemptions for opting out of vaccination is due to medical conditions that increase the risk of having an adverse health effect or reaction due to the vaccine. Other reasons consist of religious beliefs and personal philosophical opposition to mandatory vaccination.

    As of 2014, 48 states allow religious exemptions except for Mississippi and West Virginia and some states even require proof of religious membership.

    In addition, only 18 states allow personal philosophical opposition to vaccination as a form of exemption.[32]
    Read more:

    Vaccination policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    From this CDC report:



    Specifically, CDC found that:

    MMR median vaccination rates among kindergarteners varied from 99.7% in Mississippi
    to 81.7% in Colorado, with a total of seven states and Washington, D.C., reporting rates lower than 90%;

    DTaP median vaccination rates varied from at least 95% in 25 states to less than 90% in five states and Washington, D.C.; and

    Varicella vaccination rates varied from at least 95% in nine states to less than 90% in eight states and Washington, D.C.

    In addition, the report found that most states permitted parents to exempt children from vaccinations for religious reasons, while more than 12 states allowed parents to exempt children for "philosophical" reasons.

    Overall, CDC found that the median rate for nonmedical vaccination exemptions was 1.7%, varying from a high of 7% in Oregon and 6.1% in Vermont and Idaho, to a low of less than 0.1% in Mississippi.
    http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefi...-herd-immunity

    Looks like Mississippi is the state with the most vaccinated kindergartners.
    Last edited by minnie616; 02-10-15 at 11:29 AM.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And that should still be a decision that people can make for themselves, made because people are able to make their case about how important vaccines are, not because the people are being forced to do it.
    Then we should be allowed to bar these people from public places.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Only people who want to put their kids into public schools are being forced to vaccinate their kids anyway. And that makes sense - it's a public health thing. No public school wants epidemics raging through the school.

    Maybe we should force it in other areas, but until recently that public schools strategy worked pretty well.
    Epidemics always "rage" through schools. And it works just fine right now. People are acting like we have had vaccines for everything that is vaccinated for for decades. We haven't had most of these vaccines until recently. Even the second MMR came about after I started school.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Then we should be allowed to bar these people from public places.
    No, you shouldn't. That is simply ridiculous. It is an appeal to emotion to deny people their rights based on the probability of contracting a disease that you yourself are almost certainly protected against.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Epidemics always "rage" through schools. And it works just fine right now. People are acting like we have had vaccines for everything that is vaccinated for for decades. We haven't had most of these vaccines until recently. Even the second MMR came about after I started school.
    My thoughts...

    We have not only prevented small pox epidemics but we eradicated the disease.
    I had to have a smallpox vaccination before I started school in the early 1950s but my children who are in their 30s and early 40s did not need the vaccination because the disease was eradicated.

    Our goal should be to eradicate measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, whooping cough , polio diphtheria, so children and adults of future generations do not have worry about epidemics of those diseases anymore.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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