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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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    Beginning in mid to late 2013 The Insane One invited his Million Illegal Aliens to come here from the poorest nations in South America. The federal government dispersed those million illegal into communities across the nation. Mysteriously, right about that time a half dozen diseases that had been eradicated began to re-emerge.

    Maybe the Federal government should tell us every place where The Insane One's Million Illegal Aliens were put. And maybe the CDC should publish the legal status of every measles case, especially of the carriers who started each instance.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yeah. Because of the vaccinations.
    No, because of our healthcare system. Voluntarily vaccinating is certainly a good thing, however, that does not account for the fact that even most of those who do not get vaccinated and do get something like measles do not die. In fact, the majority of those who do die from something like measles die from a complication, something that can happen when a person gets so many different illnesses and ends up with a second one or already has something.

    One example of a complication that can kill is pneumonia. My son had pneumonia last year. It really wasn't that hard for the doctor to check for it. He simply xrayed his chest (in fact, the doctor even said at first he didn't think it was pneumonia but was making sure, turned out it was). He prescribed antibiotics and sent him home. My sisters however had asthma attacks (one more severe than the other) along with pneumonia (again, one more severe than the other, but the opposite) happen at the same time. They both were in the hospital for a day or so and got better.

    The thing I am pointing out is that these things do happen, and people should try to prevent them voluntarily as much as possible. But that should be voluntary. If you want them to do this, teach them why it benefits them, rather than trying to force them to do it. Many people do not like being forced into doing things, especially something they feel violates their beliefs. But with a little patience and education you may just actually convince them (especially those who are anti-vacs because of the belief that vaccines cause autism) that vaccines are safe and important.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I know that. However if you are casual about passing CP onto other people, then they may have that to look forward to in the future. Very likely, actually.
    Who are you talking about here? Why do you assume that someone is going to be "casual" about chicken pox or shingles?

    Plus, shingles comes about mainly due to a degradation of the immune system leading to the virus reemerging in their body. It is going to be noticeable prior to being "casual" about it. And most of those who are going to get shingles is because they had chicken pox before there was a vaccine and it is definitely better to get chicken pox if you can't the vaccine for it (because perhaps there wasn't one available) younger rather than as an adult.

    Plus, according to the CDC, anyone who has had chicken pox or has had the vaccine can get shingles, so it doesn't matter if you have a natural immunity (got it) or a vaccine immunity (got the shot) to chicken pox, either way can still put you at risk for shingles when you get older or if your immune system becomes compromised.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    I really think we should all dissuade ourselves from the idea that vaccines are 100% safe. They are not. Injecting anything into a 6-12 pound body that contains foreign matter (sometimes toxic substances) is not 100% safe.

    There's a reason a vaccine court was created.

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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, because of our healthcare system. Voluntarily vaccinating is certainly a good thing, however, that does not account for the fact that even most of those who do not get vaccinated and do get something like measles do not die. In fact, the majority of those who do die from something like measles die from a complication, something that can happen when a person gets so many different illnesses and ends up with a second one or already has something.

    One example of a complication that can kill is pneumonia. My son had pneumonia last year. It really wasn't that hard for the doctor to check for it. He simply xrayed his chest (in fact, the doctor even said at first he didn't think it was pneumonia but was making sure, turned out it was). He prescribed antibiotics and sent him home. My sisters however had asthma attacks (one more severe than the other) along with pneumonia (again, one more severe than the other, but the opposite) happen at the same time. They both were in the hospital for a day or so and got better.

    The thing I am pointing out is that these things do happen, and people should try to prevent them voluntarily as much as possible. But that should be voluntary. If you want them to do this, teach them why it benefits them, rather than trying to force them to do it. Many people do not like being forced into doing things, especially something they feel violates their beliefs. But with a little patience and education you may just actually convince them (especially those who are anti-vacs because of the belief that vaccines cause autism) that vaccines are safe and important.
    List of some vaccinations - which ones should be voluntary or mandatory- or should all be voluntary.
    Infants, Children, & Teens (birth - age 18) | Vaccines.gov
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I really think we should all dissuade ourselves from the idea that vaccines are 100% safe. They are not. Injecting anything into a 6-12 pound body that contains foreign matter (sometimes toxic substances) is not 100% safe.

    There's a reason a vaccine court was created.

    Vaccine Claims/Office of Special Masters | US Court of Federal Claims
    ...and as I've pointed out before (amongst many others), no-one is saying that anything in life is 100% safe. However, there are levels of risk - and in a single year in the US (on average since vaccinations began), for every person that has an adverse reaction to a vaccine, two are struck by lightning.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Maybe I should have been more clear. I was referring to what I knew about and the cases I knew of as a child.

    But people who are vaccinated still can get the measles. In fact many my age only have one of those shots so are at a higher risk.
    Which means more reason to vaccinate kids. So people aren't spreading it. The measles was down to almost nil numbers when people were intelligent and vaccinating. The numbers for why you should vaccinate are there. There is no other logical reason to not vaccinate, barring allergies.
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Mumps is best known for the swelling of the cheeks and jaw that it causes, which is a result of swelling of the salivary glands. People who show symptoms usually recover after a week or two, but mumps can occasionally cause serious complications.

    The most common complication is inflammation of the testicles (orchitis) in males who have reached puberty; rarely does this lead to fertility problems.

    Other rare complications include:
    Inflammation of the brain and/or tissue covering the brain and spinal cord (encephalitis/meningitis)
    •Inflammation of the ovaries (oophoritis) and/or breasts (mastitis) in females who have reached puberty
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    Mumps | Complications | CDC

    MMR vaccine side-effects
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    What are the risks from MMR vaccine?

    A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
    Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella. Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.

    Mild Problems
    • Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
    • Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
    • Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)

    If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.

    Moderate Problems
    • Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
    • Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
    • Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)

    Severe Problems (Very Rare)
    • Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
    • Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
    Deafness
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    Permanent brain damage


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    Damn... looks like the RARE reactions to the vaccine are far worse than the RARE reactions to Mumps itself... why take the ****ing shot then?
    Because the vaccine is safer than getting the virus. Did you miss the part? I tell you what. Show me some legitimate doctors that argue that you just shouldn't get the vaccine?
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    From a Feb.5, 2015 Forbes article.


    “In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead. The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her.”


    Those words were written by Roald Dahl, the author of Charlie and The Chocolate Factory and James the Giant Peach, about his seven-year-old daughter who died in 1962. In 1986, when he wrote them in an entreaty to his fellow Britons to vaccinate their children so that his little girl would not have died in vain, Dahl followed up with a taunt that played on his readers’ sense of national pride. “In America,” he wrote, “where measles immunisation is compulsory, measles like smallpox, has been virtually wiped out.”

    I saw Dahl’s 621-word pamphlet shared dozens of times this weekend, on sites like Io9 and DailyKos and by friends on Facebook who are frustrated and upset that Dahl’s statement is no longer true – that America, which led the eradication of smallpox, has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

    As a result of the growing number of parents who are applying for exemptions from vaccinating their kids, an outbreak that started in Disneyland in California has now spread. There have been 102 cases of measles reported in 14 states since January 1, more than in all of 2012.
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    Is The Disneyland Measles Outbreak A Turning Point In The Vaccine Wars? - Forbes
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    Re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Because the vaccine is safer than getting the virus. Did you miss the part? I tell you what. Show me some legitimate doctors that argue that you just shouldn't get the vaccine?
    There are a lot out there... but then you would just claim that they are not "legitimate", right?
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