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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You know it's also possible but that's been my point the entire time - you don't have the facts, these illegals didn't bring copies of their vaccination history. Easy.
    And neither do tourists from France or China or Brazil...

    It tells us as much as your CDC links tell us, I guess according to you also nothing.
    No, the CDC lists the know ground zero patients, and where they were from. I posted the link.

    At least be accurate; you made an accusation and built up data that fits your opinion. That's not the same as found facts and forming an opinion.
    LOL - I'm asking for data showing illegals were the ground zero patients. So far that data hasn't been produced. That's the facts I've used to form and reinforce my opinion that blaming it on illegals is veering into straight up bigotry.

    Given the amount of basic information you don't have and that you don't WANT to have because it may contradict your opinion, I can see why. Ridicule that which you do not understand.
    The CDC provides the data I want to have - who is the ground zero patient. It they were all from Guatemala, I'd form a different opinion about the source of the outbreaks. That NONE are from Guatemala that we know of tells me illegals aren't the problem. But if you asked me - should we make a concerted effort to get children of undocumented workers vaccinated - yes. Provide them free at the local clinic to them and other poor residents.

    It's about logic and facts - you right saying the burden of facts we don't know is almost impossible in the public domain. What we maybe can agree on is there are no absolutes in this debate - could illegals have brought disease into the US? Sure. Could US citizens have done the same by refusing vaccinations? Sure.
    No matter who brought it in - and it WAS travelers from at least 18 different countries in the first five months of 2014 - U.S. citizens refusing to vaccinate allow the disease to take hold and spread. The Amish don't vaccinate, so the disease spread quickly throughout the entire community. A similar community in Alabama wouldn't CARE (at least as much) that a measles patient showed up at the county fair because almost all of them are vaccinated and immune. If anyone caught it, it would end there most likely - a handful of cases at most, not hundreds.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm not the one who brought it up.

    And it supports my side way better than it supports yours.
    What side do you think I'm on?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm sure there are many. Logic dictates if non-immigrants can cause an outbreak then immigrants could also start an outbreak.
    Of course they could. But how is that relevant to the idea that those of us in the US should get vaccinated? Regardless of where it comes from, it sucks. If we were all vaccinated, we wouldn't have to worry about tourists, overseas travelers, missionaries, or immigrants.

    I don't know why you are so intent on getting everyone to say "sure, it could come from illegal immigrants". It could come from ANYONE coming from overseas, whether travellers or tourists or immigrants.

    So why do you keep hammering on it?

    Key thing is - everyone who doesn't have a medical issue should be vaccinated. Period.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    "I do not believe we will get real information until after The Insane One is forced out of office or ends his reign of error. Keep your head buried in the sand and continue to blame your neighbor.

    Deep down in the dark recesses of your heart you know I am right."
    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So, you don't have an answer other than your hatred for Mexicans and the president. I don't have dark recesses of my heart, I don't harbor obsessive hate of the president, nor do I use him as an excuse to blame my current state in life upon.
    I have given you an answer. You don't like it.

    What makes you think I am speaking of Mexicans? I am speaking of invaders. They come from a wide variety of countries. And they are attacking us. They attack us with diseases, with crime, by displacing Americans in jobs, by destroying our economy through welfare and medical care.

    If you do not hate this treasonous monster in the White House you are not paying attention. Or worse you are secretly as treasonous as he is. I cannot speak to your current state in life. I can speak to the state of the nation and we are in very deep trouble.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    It is funny to read, but you have to remember that the fringe is a tiny sliver of the population.
    Cool. Those who actually support and defend the Constitution against its domestic enemies are the fringe to you. I am right about you.

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    Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What's so bizarrely funny is here are rough numbers:

    Bush - 500,000 per year, roughly 4 million new illegal aliens in total
    Obama - 0 per year, roughly negative 500,000 new illegal aliens in total

    And through your insanely partisan lens, conclude it's Obama's fault.... It's ODS at it's finest.
    While cute it is irrelevant. First your numbers are lies. And you have to know they are lies. Secondly, it was The Insane One and his regime that invited in his Illegal Million Aliens and dispersed them across the country. This was in the last two years. They brought diseases that are common to their origins. And American children are dying of those diseases.

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    Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

    "When you delight in bringing in illegal aliens to supplant American citizens you reveal the evil in your heart and the Democratic Party's strategy to achieve one party, Soviet style rule.

    It is pure evil."
    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    American citizens are immigrants or the children thereof. They wouldn't be illegal if we brought them here legally. Mexican =/= illegal
    This is the kind of idiocy I have learned to expect from the authoritarian statists who post here. There is not much else to say.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "I do not believe we will get real information until after The Insane One is forced out of office or ends his reign of error. Keep your head buried in the sand and continue to blame your neighbor.

    Deep down in the dark recesses of your heart you know I am right."

    I have given you an answer. You don't like it.

    What makes you think I am speaking of Mexicans? I am speaking of invaders. They come from a wide variety of countries. And they are attacking us. They attack us with diseases, with crime, by displacing Americans in jobs, by destroying our economy through welfare and medical care.

    If you do not hate this treasonous monster in the White House you are not paying attention. Or worse you are secretly as treasonous as he is. I cannot speak to your current state in life. I can speak to the state of the nation and we are in very deep trouble.
    You might have some credibility if you recognized when these "invaders" actually came to America, but your blind partisanship won't allow that. 12 million before Obama took office - roughly zero since then.

    FWIW, I can only assume that if you were in the shoes of these "invaders," you'd make the same choice they did - walk over as invited, work, take care of their families. I'd be embarrassed as a father or husband to tell my family that I won't do what I can to give them the best life possible and so will not cross the border and find a job that will support them, and often an extended family left at home.

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    Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    While cute it is irrelevant. First your numbers are lies. And you have to know they are lies. Secondly, it was The Insane One and his regime that invited in his Illegal Million Aliens and dispersed them across the country. This was in the last two years. They brought diseases that are common to their origins. And American children are dying of those diseases.
    LMAO. Facts really are optional in your world.

    But just for grins, can you post any links to back up any of that?

    I'll say it again, we're in Poe's Law territory with these latest comments.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Immunization, measles (% of children ages 12-23 months) | Data | Table From 2012 to 2013 it went from 99% to 89% It fluctuates within that range. Their immunization rate is a tad higher than ours, so it's complete ignorance to blame them brown skinned messicans. Blame the idiot parents who aren't vaccinating their kids.
    Are you another who believes the poorest of the poor from Guatemala were vaccinated against all of the common diseases of their origin states? Perhaps you should question all of the evidence of your own complete ignorance. In the absence of the diseased would it matter of not everyone vaccinated their children? The Insane One brought them here. He did not even need Gruber to lie to his base. Did he?

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