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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Do what you want. Here's the link Vectors or Victims? Docs Slam Rumors That Migrants Carry Disease - NBC News

    It last cited in post 1051 on this thread. You were post 1053 so I'm surprised you missed it.
    It's 89% from 2013's latest data. Seems you missed it. I've already posted the 3 Central American vaccination %'s in a reply to Henry. Do you happen to know what was included in those 3 countries vaccinations and how many initial and boosters? No?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Bottom line is the person I responded to made a baseless claim - that it's illegals spreading disease and being unleashed in his community. If he or you want to claim it's a flood of diseased invaders spreading disease in these helpless communities, which is what I was responding to, then prove it.
    The bottom line is Mexico immigrants were a minority and therefore irrelevant. Central America is the focus. Second, no Central American vaccination information was included regarding what the vaccinations were nor the frequency.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Here's the World Bank immunization breakdown by country for measles. Peruse as you want - France is lower than most of South America, far lower than Mexico most years.
    As we already pointed out by me, Mexicans in 2014 were a minority - Honduras, El Salvador and Gutemala illegals were crossing the border in 2013 and 2014.

    Perhaps more information is needed but you seem to have made up your mind without that information... I'd rather have more facts and less bs.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's 89% from 2013's latest data. Seems you missed it. I've already posted the 3 Central American vaccination %'s in a reply to Henry. Do you happen to know what was included in those 3 countries vaccinations and how many initial and boosters? No?

    The bottom line is Mexico immigrants were a minority and therefore irrelevant. Central America is the focus. Second, no Central American vaccination information was included regarding what the vaccinations were nor the frequency.

    As we already pointed out by me, Mexicans in 2014 were a minority - Honduras, El Salvador and Gutemala illegals were crossing the border in 2013 and 2014.

    Perhaps more information is needed but you seem to have made up your mind without that information... I'd rather have more facts and less bs.
    The fact is you've cited nothing to indicate that the measles or any other outbreak can be traced to the invasion of dirty, diseased illegal children. That was the claim that I responded to. If you want more facts and less BS, you should direct your concern to the person making that claim based entirely, so far as I can tell, on bigoted stereotypes.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So first things first.... it's not 99% in 2014 (you don't have that data) but went down from 99% to 89% between 2012 and 2013, so in reality it's 89% with the latest data you've provided.

    Second, you may actually have a point were the majority of immigrants coming into the US were originating from Mexico but they're not. 2013 and 2014 were primarily from Central America - according to this article, specifically from Honduras, El Salvador and Gutemala. Those countries immunizations according to your own link are:

    Honduras 98 95 93 89
    El Salvador 92 89 93 94
    Gutaemala 93 89 93 85

    As you didn't happen to mention that little fact, and you didn't bother to identify what vaccinations these people from these 3 non-Mexican nations were inoculated with nor how often, it leaves potentially thousands of kids who crossed the Texas border illegally who were not vaccinated at all - especially since those people may have been born decades ago. What was the vaccination rate in those countries say in the 1970 and 1980's? Add that to the mix for their parents.

    To sum up: Central American nations weren't in your calculation. We don't know what the inoculation / vaccinations are in the 3 countries specified nor their frequency, and recent numbers only identify children under the age of 4 years old given your link. No vaccination information was posted for the 1970's or later for parents crossing the border from these countries.


    Lots of questions still unanswered.
    Keep twistin' and spinning all you want. Whatever you need to do to keep laying blame on brown people. It's not religious missionaries traveling abroad who could be responsible, or the millions of tourists traversing the globe every year. It's dem brown skinned illegals..
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Keep twistin' and spinning all you want. Whatever you need to do to keep laying blame on brown people.

    No need to twist - the facts are Mexico was not the issue but Central America - funny how you missed that REALLY important fact.
    I don't recall blaming anyone just asking for more facts on Central America's vaccinations which you seem to not have - can you post them?

    While your accusations are pathetic, you may want to actually have facts to bolster your claim instead of opinion.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The fact is you've cited nothing to indicate that the measles or any other outbreak can be traced to the invasion of dirty, diseased illegal children. That was the claim that I responded to. If you want more facts and less BS, you should direct your concern to the person making that claim based entirely, so far as I can tell, on bigoted stereotypes.
    I may not have cited anything because I'm not trying to prove that point. My point is more information is required not about Mexico but about Central America where these illegals originated from.

    If you want to stay uninformed I fully support your right to do that.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I may not have cited anything because I'm not trying to prove that point. My point is more information is required not about Mexico but about Central America where these illegals originated from.

    If you want to stay uninformed I fully support your right to do that.
    Looking at the My link. Glancing just at Panama, Guatemala, and Ecuador, they have immunization rates in the high 80's and 90's. About on par with us. Blaming brown skinned people is weak and serves only to further demonize this group of people.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you believe that matters? The Insane One on the golf course created this. When it is you or your child who is killed by diseases brought here by invaders will it matter to you that today it is only a few hundred who have been harmed?

    Where do you live. I will start a movement to send the illegals the feds planted into my community to yours. You will win big. And we will lose a little less.
    Yes I think that matters. I'm not going to freakout and start running around claiming the sky is falling when there is in fact no evidence that the sky is falling.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Looking at the My link. Glancing just at Panama, Guatemala, and Ecuador, they have immunization rates in the high 80's and 90's.
    Which is great for children under the age of 4 since your link identifies the last 4 years only, but we still don't know what was in those vaccinations nor how often they were issued, how many boosters were provided, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    About on par with us. Blaming brown skinned people is weak and serves only to further demonize this group of people.
    That's two times you used that - I'm not blaming anyone so your accusation is ignored. What are the vaccinations in those 3 countries since the 1970's - do you have a link for that because I couldn't find one, nor one that identifies what vaccination were used back then nor the changes between then and now.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Which is great for children under the age of 4 since your link identifies the last 4 years only, but we still don't know what was in those vaccinations nor how often they were issued, how many boosters were provided, etc.

    That's two times you used that - I'm not blaming anyone so your accusation is ignored. What are the vaccinations in those 3 countries since the 1970's - do you have a link for that because I couldn't find one, nor one that identifies what vaccination were used back then nor the changes between then and now.
    Haven't looked for the 70's stats. If we do find those, will you then ask for 60's stats?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I may not have cited anything because I'm not trying to prove that point. My point is more information is required not about Mexico but about Central America where these illegals originated from.

    If you want to stay uninformed I fully support your right to do that.
    You're not, but you jumped into the middle of a conversation in which I and others responded to very specific claims. I'll quote two, but you can review them all if you like:

    Ask the asshole doctor just how many of the millions he has seen and treated. The Insane One on the golf course had his regime's minions bussed the illegals all over the nation. We had many dozens forced upon us. None have been vaccinated against the diseases that were once rare here. But we are forced to accept them in our midst.
    And this one:

    Bush did not invite the illegal invasion responsible for this re-emergence of diseases. The Insane One on the golf course did that. Do you believe The Insane One's Illegal Million were from Mexico? Where were you over the last two years. The Insane One colluded with another hostile enemy country, Mexico, to allow hundreds of thousands of illegal invaders to pass through Mexico to strike our communities.
    OK, so notice what the claims were - illegals, none vaccinated, responsible for the re-emergence, MEXICO, hundreds of thousands of invaders, Obama did it all (of course).

    That's the conversation you jumped into. If you want to point out that the vaccination rate for measles in Mexico dropped in 2013, fine. So between "none" and "89%" which person made the most accurate statement? It wasn't the person claiming none were vaccinated.

    How about the specific claims it's these kids who are responsible? There is NO evidence of that, but there is evidence it was from travelers here legally, or Americans returning home from abroad.

    Why are some of us pointing out the immunization rate for Mexico - because we're responding to a claim that Obama colluded with MEXICO to send these kids here.

    How about the hundreds of thousands of invaders? That happened for roughly 8 straight years under Bush, zero years for Obama.

    Etc. It's fine to jump in, but don't be surprised when our responses are to specific claims made by the person we are responding to, instead of some other point you'd like to address.

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