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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's been cited a half dozen times.
    I haven't read those threads so cite it again, otherwise I'll just chalk that little non-factoid up to

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But if we're all showing our work, how about a citation for the claim the illegals are diseased and are being unleashed in these communities without health evaluations and all the rest?
    Here's a doc that was done between Calif and Mexico showing the lacking inoculations of Mexico Nationales and the US. Note that the US has in quite a few areas showing more inoculations and boosters.
    http://www.borderhealth.org/files/res_1509.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Or how about the person I responded to citing the net illegal flows during this administration versus the last one - oh yeah, I did that, the illegal population has declined under Obama - increased by nearly 4 million in the last administration, etc.
    How about you show the 99% first before trying to change the topic by asking a lot of other questions in an attempt to change the subject.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    He seems to be. Pretty much makes his rants not worth reading.
    It is funny to read, but you have to remember that the fringe is a tiny sliver of the population.
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    Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    When you delight in bringing in illegal aliens to supplant American citizens you reveal the evil in your heart and the Democratic Party's strategy to achieve one party, Soviet style rule.

    It is pure evil.
    What's so bizarrely funny is here are rough numbers:

    Bush - 500,000 per year, roughly 4 million new illegal aliens in total
    Obama - 0 per year, roughly negative 500,000 new illegal aliens in total

    And through your insanely partisan lens, conclude it's Obama's fault.... It's ODS at it's finest.


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    Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What's so bizarrely funny is here are rough numbers:

    Bush - 500,000 per year, roughly 4 million new illegal aliens in total
    Obama - 0 per year, roughly negative 500,000 new illegal aliens in total

    And through your insanely partisan lens, conclude it's Obama's fault.... It's ODS at it's finest.

    Lmao... I don't suppose you have any supporting evidence?

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    Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    When you delight in bringing in illegal aliens to supplant American citizens you reveal the evil in your heart and the Democratic Party's strategy to achieve one party, Soviet style rule.

    It is pure evil.
    American citizens are immigrants or the children thereof. They wouldn't be illegal if we brought them here legally. Mexican =/= illegal

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I haven't read those threads so cite it again, otherwise I'll just chalk that little non-factoid up to

    Here's a doc that was done between Calif and Mexico showing the lacking inoculations of Mexico Nationales and the US. Note that the US has in quite a few areas showing more inoculations and boosters.
    http://www.borderhealth.org/files/res_1509.pdf

    How about you show the 99% first before trying to change the topic by asking a lot of other questions in an attempt to change the subject.
    Immunization, measles (% of children ages 12-23 months) | Data | Table From 2012 to 2013 it went from 99% to 89% It fluctuates within that range. Their immunization rate is a tad higher than ours, so it's complete ignorance to blame them brown skinned messicans. Blame the idiot parents who aren't vaccinating their kids.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I haven't read those threads so cite it again, otherwise I'll just chalk that little non-factoid up to
    Do what you want. Here's the link Vectors or Victims? Docs Slam Rumors That Migrants Carry Disease - NBC News

    It last cited in post 1051 on this thread. You were post 1053 so I'm surprised you missed it.

    How about you show the 99% first before trying to change the topic by asking a lot of other questions in an attempt to change the subject.
    Bottom line is the person I responded to made a baseless claim - that it's illegals spreading disease and being unleashed in his community. If he or you want to claim it's a flood of diseased invaders spreading disease in these helpless communities, which is what I was responding to, then prove it.

    But if you want some reading, how about this: Is there a link between the measles outbreak and illegal immigration? - The Washington Post

    Or you can read the CDC reports on the outbreaks, such as this Most come from U.S. residents traveling abroad and bringing the disease back home. About half from Europe. France has a bad problem with measles - thousands of cases.

    Here's the World Bank immunization breakdown by country for measles. Peruse as you want - France is lower than most of South America, far lower than Mexico most years.

    Here's a story about the Disneyland outbreak - it indicates Mexico has been infected but as part of the broader event - not as the source.

    But, again, the obligation is on the accuser - if he or you think it's dirty illegals spreading disease, let's see some evidence. Bigotry isn't evidence.

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    Re: Pure evil. This is the face of the Democratic Party. And Establishment Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Lmao... I don't suppose you have any supporting evidence?
    About what? The numbers of illegals? If so then read the thread - it's been posted, as recently as this morning.

    But in case your Google doesn't work, try this: As Growth Stalls, Unauthorized Immigrant Population Becomes More Settled | Pew Research Center's Hispanic Trends Project

    PH-2014-09-03-immigration-01.jpg

    Point out for me the Obama flood of dirty, diseased invading children...
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Do what you want. Here's the link Vectors or Victims? Docs Slam Rumors That Migrants Carry Disease - NBC News

    It last cited in post 1051 on this thread. You were post 1053 so I'm surprised you missed it.



    Bottom line is the person I responded to made a baseless claim - that it's illegals spreading disease and being unleashed in his community. If he or you want to claim it's a flood of diseased invaders spreading disease in these helpless communities, which is what I was responding to, then prove it.

    But if you want some reading, how about this: Is there a link between the measles outbreak and illegal immigration? - The Washington Post

    Or you can read the CDC reports on the outbreaks, such as this Most come from U.S. residents traveling abroad and bringing the disease back home. About half from Europe. France has a bad problem with measles - thousands of cases.

    Here's the World Bank immunization breakdown by country for measles. Peruse as you want - France is lower than most of South America, far lower than Mexico most years.

    Here's a story about the Disneyland outbreak - it indicates Mexico has been infected but as part of the broader event - not as the source.

    But, again, the obligation is on the accuser - if he or you think it's dirty illegals spreading disease, let's see some evidence. Bigotry isn't evidence.

    Good links. Thanks.

    Perhaps other countries should require Americans prove they are vaccinated before we go to their countries?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Immunization, measles (% of children ages 12-23 months) | Data | Table From 2012 to 2013 it went from 99% to 89% It fluctuates within that range. Their immunization rate is a tad higher than ours, so it's complete ignorance to blame them brown skinned messicans. Blame the idiot parents who aren't vaccinating their kids.
    So first things first.... it's not 99% in 2014 (you don't have that data) but went down from 99% to 89% between 2012 and 2013, so in reality it's 89% with the latest data you've provided.

    Second, you may actually have a point were the majority of immigrants coming into the US were originating from Mexico but they're not. 2013 and 2014 were primarily from Central America - according to this article, specifically from Honduras, El Salvador and Gutemala. Those countries immunizations according to your own link are:

    Honduras 98 95 93 89
    El Salvador 92 89 93 94
    Gutaemala 93 89 93 85

    As you didn't happen to mention that little fact, and you didn't bother to identify what vaccinations these people from these 3 non-Mexican nations were inoculated with nor how often, it leaves potentially thousands of kids who crossed the Texas border illegally who were not vaccinated at all - especially since those people may have been born decades ago. What was the vaccination rate in those countries say in the 1970 and 1980's? Add that to the mix for their parents.

    To sum up: Central American nations weren't in your calculation. We don't know what the inoculation / vaccinations are in the 3 countries specified nor their frequency, and recent numbers only identify children under the age of 4 years old given your link. No vaccination information was posted for the 1970's or later for parents crossing the border from these countries.


    Lots of questions still unanswered.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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