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Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CAPPI

Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

False, and laughably false if you include the increased refinery throughput on the Gulf Coast.

:naughty
""There’s very few jobs operating pipelines," said Ian Goodman, president of the Goodman Group Ltd., an energy and economic consulting firm in Berkeley, Calif. "That’s one of the reasons why pipelines are attractive to the oil industry. They’re relatively inexpensive to build and operate."

The report says the project would provide jobs for about 35 permanent employees and 15 temporary contractors.

The full-timers would be "required for annual operations, including routine inspections, maintenance and repair." Some would work in Canada. The U.S. employees would work at pump stations along the pipeline route as well as a Nebraska office."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...an-jones-says-keystone-pipeline-only-creates/
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

:naughty
""There’s very few jobs operating pipelines," said Ian Goodman, president of the Goodman Group Ltd., an energy and economic consulting firm in Berkeley, Calif. "That’s one of the reasons why pipelines are attractive to the oil industry. They’re relatively inexpensive to build and operate."

The report says the project would provide jobs for about 35 permanent employees and 15 temporary contractors.

The full-timers would be "required for annual operations, including routine inspections, maintenance and repair." Some would work in Canada. The U.S. employees would work at pump stations along the pipeline route as well as a Nebraska office."
CNN's Van Jones says Keystone pipeline only creates 35 permanent jobs | PunditFact

You apparently missed my reference to refineries. The long term job producer is in the increased demand for refinery and transport services on the Gulf Coast.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

You apparently missed my reference to refineries. The long term job producer is in the increased demand for refinery and transport services on the Gulf Coast.

Really its going to create more refinery jobs? Please show me the study...
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

:naughty
""There’s very few jobs operating pipelines," said Ian Goodman, president of the Goodman Group Ltd., an energy and economic consulting firm in Berkeley, Calif. "That’s one of the reasons why pipelines are attractive to the oil industry. They’re relatively inexpensive to build and operate."

The report says the project would provide jobs for about 35 permanent employees and 15 temporary contractors.

The full-timers would be "required for annual operations, including routine inspections, maintenance and repair." Some would work in Canada. The U.S. employees would work at pump stations along the pipeline route as well as a Nebraska office."
CNN's Van Jones says Keystone pipeline only creates 35 permanent jobs | PunditFact

There are thousands of jobs building and maintaining pipelines.

People have made careers out of pipeline construction.
 
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Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

There are thousands of jobs building and maintaining pipelines.

People have made careers out of pipeline construction.

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"Whatever the number, these jobs are temporary, lasting only for the year or two that it would take to complete the project."
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

"Whatever the number, these jobs are temporary, lasting only for the year or two that it would take to complete the project."

By your logic road construction jobs are useless. BTW, what was Obama's sales pitch? Was it all those construction jobs that was going to save us from financial ruin.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

Even your own source called the study that cited it will create refinery jobs called it "unreliable"...

Precise numbers cannot be forecast but the prospect of growth is undeniable.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

"Whatever the number, these jobs are temporary, lasting only for the year or two that it would take to complete the project."


The jobs will last a hell of a lot more then 30 months and to someone who has not worked in 5 years they will look pretyy good.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

It's not just at the refineries, but in the petroleum sector generally as well.

Pipe Dreams: How Many Jobs Will Be Created By Keystone XL? - Forbes

The crux of the article you posted.....

"The lesson from Trans-Alaska however, is that long-term employment in these areas is unlikely to increase nearly as significantly as some people would like to believe..."


Build it because it makes economic sense, but stop trying to tell us this is a "jobs bill"... stop insulting our intelligence. As a jobs bill, this is small ball. If this is truly the Republican idea of a jobs bill, then the Republicans are the party of limited vision and small ideas; the Small-ball Party.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

Just in time for the Alberta tar sands to go off the market.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

I find that the same people who lobby FOR temporary Federally funded Jobs bills that cost tax dollars are generally the same ones against temporary private jobs that generate tax revenue.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

Just in time for the Alberta tar sands to go off the market.

Absolutely.... Once again, the Republicans delivering yesterday's vision, today.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

The jobs will last a hell of a lot more then 30 months and to someone who has not worked in 5 years they will look pretyy good.

Go ahead.. Please provide any information that hasnt already been debunked..
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

Precise numbers cannot be forecast but the prospect of growth is undeniable.

Really? Well your own link mentioned that historical precident has proven their claims wrong as well (did you even read your link?) "This study is the perfect example of why long-term employment predictions from a distinct energy project are unreliable. The estimates are based on the idea that the pipeline will create permanently stable oil prices which will foster overall economic growth. However, there is no indication the pipeline would contribute to oil price stabilization. In fact, other TransCanada studies predict that oil prices in the Midwest will rise because the Keystone XL Pipeline will alleviate an oversupply there. No previous pipeline, such as Trans-Alaska, has ever stabilized global oil prices. All predictions for spinoff jobs rely on factors like the price of oil, energy innovation, politics, and the overall health of the economy. These variables are impossible to forecast and make predictions such as the Perryman Group’s unreliable.... The Wall Street Journal concluded in September 1979 that the “capital intensive” oil industry had failed to create a significant number of permanent jobs for Alaska.... This was a classic boomtown effect, in which the population of Alaska, particularly the interior city of Fairbanks, swelled in anticipation of petroleum construction jobs. Once the project was complete many thousands who had moved to the city were left unemployed. "
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

By your logic road construction jobs are useless. BTW, what was Obama's sales pitch? Was it all those construction jobs that was going to save us from financial ruin.

By "my definition"? My definition is something like FDR's WPA...
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

The crux of the article you posted.....

"The lesson from Trans-Alaska however, is that long-term employment in these areas is unlikely to increase nearly as significantly as some people would like to believe..."


Build it because it makes economic sense, but stop trying to tell us this is a "jobs bill"... stop insulting our intelligence. As a jobs bill, this is small ball. If this is truly the Republican idea of a jobs bill, then the Republicans are the party of limited vision and small ideas; the Small-ball Party.

The added strength to infrastructure and capacity in the Gulf area would be significant. I have not claimed large jobs impact; I was merely refuting a claim that only 35 permanent jobs would be created. Generally speaking (without the uncalled-for nastiness) I agree with you.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

Really? Well your own link mentioned that historical precident has proven their claims wrong as well (did you even read your link?) "This study is the perfect example of why long-term employment predictions from a distinct energy project are unreliable. The estimates are based on the idea that the pipeline will create permanently stable oil prices which will foster overall economic growth. However, there is no indication the pipeline would contribute to oil price stabilization. In fact, other TransCanada studies predict that oil prices in the Midwest will rise because the Keystone XL Pipeline will alleviate an oversupply there. No previous pipeline, such as Trans-Alaska, has ever stabilized global oil prices. All predictions for spinoff jobs rely on factors like the price of oil, energy innovation, politics, and the overall health of the economy. These variables are impossible to forecast and make predictions such as the Perryman Group’s unreliable.... The Wall Street Journal concluded in September 1979 that the “capital intensive” oil industry had failed to create a significant number of permanent jobs for Alaska.... This was a classic boomtown effect, in which the population of Alaska, particularly the interior city of Fairbanks, swelled in anticipation of petroleum construction jobs. Once the project was complete many thousands who had moved to the city were left unemployed. "

And the article concedes likely growth in refining and related industrial endeavors. Those are not part of the boomtown problem in the producing area. The crude would be sent to the Gulf to be refined; increased refinery employment logically follows.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

And the article concedes likely growth in refining and related industrial endeavors.
No it doesnt. No where in that article does it suggest there will be growth in jobs in American refineries...

Those are not part of the boomtown problem in the producing area. The crude would be sent to the Gulf to be refined; increased refinery employment logically follows.
Except as your own link states that it can very much become a "boomtown" and because of the historical precedent, oil prices, and lack of "spin off factors" (as the article describes) will lead to little to nothing... But hey at least you got a giant "maybe"....
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

No it doesnt. No where in that article does it suggest there will be growth in jobs in American refineries...


Except as your own link states that it can very much become a "boomtown" and because of the historical precedent, oil prices, and lack of "spin off factors" (as the article describes) will lead to little to nothing... But hey at least you got a giant "maybe"....

The pipeline is a valuable addition to infrastructure and industrial capacity irrespective of job creation. I happen to find the logic compelling that increased volume through the refineries will create jobs, but I would favor the pipeline even if there were none.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

The pipeline is a valuable addition to infrastructure and industrial capacity irrespective of job creation.
Even tho its only expected to create 35 permanent American jobs...

I happen to find the logic compelling that increased volume through the refineries will create jobs, but I would favor the pipeline even if there were none.

Apparently the vast majority who have studied the subject would beg to differ. And even the own article you use to back up your points begs to disagree... But yea, whatever :shrug: you are right!
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

Even tho its only expected to create 35 permanent American jobs...



Apparently the vast majority who have studied the subject would beg to differ. And even the own article you use to back up your points begs to disagree... But yea, whatever :shrug: you are right!

The oil will go to developing nations like Korea and Latin America. Developing nations need fuel oil. Get over it. People other than Americans need gas and heat.
 
Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

Even tho its only expected to create 35 permanent American jobs...



Apparently the vast majority who have studied the subject would beg to differ. And even the own article you use to back up your points begs to disagree... But yea, whatever :shrug: you are right!

Sorry, but the article I posted does not disagree. It properly describes uncertainty in projections, but also notes the logic of increased employment in refineries and related industrial activity. And your propaganda figure of 35 jobs remains laughable. Finally, I'll say again that I would be for it even if it created no jobs at all.
 
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