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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's not just at the refineries, but in the petroleum sector generally as well.

    Pipe Dreams: How Many Jobs Will Be Created By Keystone XL? - Forbes
    The crux of the article you posted.....

    "The lesson from Trans-Alaska however, is that long-term employment in these areas is unlikely to increase nearly as significantly as some people would like to believe..."


    Build it because it makes economic sense, but stop trying to tell us this is a "jobs bill"... stop insulting our intelligence. As a jobs bill, this is small ball. If this is truly the Republican idea of a jobs bill, then the Republicans are the party of limited vision and small ideas; the Small-ball Party.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Just in time for the Alberta tar sands to go off the market.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    I find that the same people who lobby FOR temporary Federally funded Jobs bills that cost tax dollars are generally the same ones against temporary private jobs that generate tax revenue.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Just in time for the Alberta tar sands to go off the market.
    Absolutely.... Once again, the Republicans delivering yesterday's vision, today.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The jobs will last a hell of a lot more then 30 months and to someone who has not worked in 5 years they will look pretyy good.
    Go ahead.. Please provide any information that hasnt already been debunked..


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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Precise numbers cannot be forecast but the prospect of growth is undeniable.
    Really? Well your own link mentioned that historical precident has proven their claims wrong as well (did you even read your link?) "This study is the perfect example of why long-term employment predictions from a distinct energy project are unreliable. The estimates are based on the idea that the pipeline will create permanently stable oil prices which will foster overall economic growth. However, there is no indication the pipeline would contribute to oil price stabilization. In fact, other TransCanada studies predict that oil prices in the Midwest will rise because the Keystone XL Pipeline will alleviate an oversupply there. No previous pipeline, such as Trans-Alaska, has ever stabilized global oil prices. All predictions for spinoff jobs rely on factors like the price of oil, energy innovation, politics, and the overall health of the economy. These variables are impossible to forecast and make predictions such as the Perryman Group’s unreliable.... The Wall Street Journal concluded in September 1979 that the “capital intensive” oil industry had failed to create a significant number of permanent jobs for Alaska.... This was a classic boomtown effect, in which the population of Alaska, particularly the interior city of Fairbanks, swelled in anticipation of petroleum construction jobs. Once the project was complete many thousands who had moved to the city were left unemployed. "


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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By your logic road construction jobs are useless. BTW, what was Obama's sales pitch? Was it all those construction jobs that was going to save us from financial ruin.
    By "my definition"? My definition is something like FDR's WPA...


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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The crux of the article you posted.....

    "The lesson from Trans-Alaska however, is that long-term employment in these areas is unlikely to increase nearly as significantly as some people would like to believe..."


    Build it because it makes economic sense, but stop trying to tell us this is a "jobs bill"... stop insulting our intelligence. As a jobs bill, this is small ball. If this is truly the Republican idea of a jobs bill, then the Republicans are the party of limited vision and small ideas; the Small-ball Party.
    The added strength to infrastructure and capacity in the Gulf area would be significant. I have not claimed large jobs impact; I was merely refuting a claim that only 35 permanent jobs would be created. Generally speaking (without the uncalled-for nastiness) I agree with you.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Really? Well your own link mentioned that historical precident has proven their claims wrong as well (did you even read your link?) "This study is the perfect example of why long-term employment predictions from a distinct energy project are unreliable. The estimates are based on the idea that the pipeline will create permanently stable oil prices which will foster overall economic growth. However, there is no indication the pipeline would contribute to oil price stabilization. In fact, other TransCanada studies predict that oil prices in the Midwest will rise because the Keystone XL Pipeline will alleviate an oversupply there. No previous pipeline, such as Trans-Alaska, has ever stabilized global oil prices. All predictions for spinoff jobs rely on factors like the price of oil, energy innovation, politics, and the overall health of the economy. These variables are impossible to forecast and make predictions such as the Perryman Group’s unreliable.... The Wall Street Journal concluded in September 1979 that the “capital intensive” oil industry had failed to create a significant number of permanent jobs for Alaska.... This was a classic boomtown effect, in which the population of Alaska, particularly the interior city of Fairbanks, swelled in anticipation of petroleum construction jobs. Once the project was complete many thousands who had moved to the city were left unemployed. "
    And the article concedes likely growth in refining and related industrial endeavors. Those are not part of the boomtown problem in the producing area. The crude would be sent to the Gulf to be refined; increased refinery employment logically follows.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Why would the veto be a win for republicans? Obama is not on the ballot in 2016.
    Because the democrat party will be on the 2016 ballot. Perhaps they wont want a repeat of 2014.

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