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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Not blackmail when they already have a way around that land.

    If you look at the TransCanada keystone maps they already have a route mapped out( in red ) that avoids the Indian Nation.( the proposed blue dotted line goes through the Indian Nation property.)

    They should use the route in red and be at peace with the Indian Nation.

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    I agree Minnie, and if you read the stories about this dispute, you'll see that TC is indeed trying to work with the tribes to settle their concerns, and in most cases, give one or two hold outs they have done exactly that...What you have in effect is one tribe not accepting any proposal including your "red" line because they say that 'just because their are no burials there doesn't mean that they don't consider the land sacred'....It's a statement that screams contrarian obstruction.

    I am all for private companies making a profit. Using eminent domain to go through privately owned land ( especially land deeded to the American Indians in a peace treaty ) is I believe not only overstepping but a real cause for concern.
    Just because these companies are private concerns, doesn't mean that they aren't acting in the interests of the nations they come from, ie; the US, and Canada...We don't have a 'National Oil Company', so when you say that these companies are doing this, you are just plain wrong, or deceptive, or both....The government are the ones using eminent domain to grant the easements to the land...If you have problems with that your beef is with the representatives, not the oil companies.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The correct answer is that it didn't cease being a global commodity...The fact that the Saud's are flooding the market by refusing to slow down supply, while people are using less refined product like Gasoline driving the price down is welcome relief for millions of middle class and poor families....Plus it looks to have chopped the proposed profits of the oil companies nearly in half, which I don't necessarily think it a good thing, but you anti corporate types ought to love that....I don't get it? How can you say you're for the middle class and the poor, and want to see higher prices?
    Actually the good ol' USofA is the oil rich nation 'flooding' the market with fossil fuels. What the Saudi's are doing is not cutting back on their production to allow the USofA's massive increase to continue along with higher oil prices...

    I see this as more a move to drive a stake in Putin's economic heart by crippling the Russian export market.... oil and NG are the key exports Russia has and can use as leverage against Europe. Russia pays for it's military surge and adventures with oil dollars (they can't borrow billions like we can to kite military adventures)- they use surplus money to keep the domestic critics at bay.

    But we all stand with a slightly different O-T angle...

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually the good ol' USofA is the oil rich nation 'flooding' the market with fossil fuels. What the Saudi's are doing is not cutting back on their production to allow the USofA's massive increase to continue along with higher oil prices...

    I see this as more a move to drive a stake in Putin's economic heart by crippling the Russian export market.... oil and NG are the key exports Russia has and can use as leverage against Europe. Russia pays for it's military surge and adventures with oil dollars (they can't borrow billions like we can to kite military adventures)- they use surplus money to keep the domestic critics at bay.

    But we all stand with a slightly different O-T angle...
    Mornin NQR...I've heard that angle, as well as one that suggests that they are also doing this to undermine our own production increases due to fracking....In any case...I sure love the savings...I know between my wife and I it adds up to about $120. per month...Not chump change in an average joe's like my budget....
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The correct answer is that it didn't cease being a global commodity...The fact that the Saud's are flooding the market by refusing to slow down supply, while people are using less refined product like Gasoline driving the price down is welcome relief for millions of middle class and poor families....Plus it looks to have chopped the proposed profits of the oil companies nearly in half, which I don't necessarily think it a good thing, but you anti corporate types ought to love that....I don't get it? How can you say you're for the middle class and the poor, and want to see higher prices?
    I don't want to see higher prices for gasoline even though some of investments might take a bit of a hit.
    I am glad the prices are lower and that middle class and poor are seeing a little relief in the lower gas prices.

    According to news the average driver should see a savings in lower gas prices between $550 to $750 this year.

    My objection to this particular pipeline is the Eminent Domain issue.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I agree Minnie, and if you read the stories about this dispute, you'll see that TC is indeed trying to work with the tribes to settle their concerns, and in most cases, give one or two hold outs they have done exactly that...What you have in effect is one tribe not accepting any proposal including your "red" line because they say that 'just because their are no burials there doesn't mean that they don't consider the land sacred'....It's a statement that screams contrarian obstruction.
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    The red line does not go through South Dakota and does cross Sioux Indian owned land.

    See the map of the Sioux Indian owned land in this link.

    http://www.walkinbeauty-bethechange....eatylands.html
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The red line does not go through South Dakota and does cross Sioux Indian owned land.

    See the map of the Sioux Indian owned land in this link.

    Great Sioux Nation Treaty Lands
    I can see by that map why TC want's to stick as close to the original route...Shortest distance between two points is a straight line, as opposed to the wild route highlighted in red....But, surely there is a compromise, like I said before, it seems that there is only one tribal hold out out of the many involved.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I don't want to see higher prices for gasoline even though some of investments might take a bit of a hit.
    I am glad the prices are lower and that middle class and poor are seeing a little relief in the lower gas prices.

    According to news the average driver should see a savings in lower gas prices between $550 to $750 this year.

    My objection to this particular pipeline is the Eminent Domain issue.
    If the price were to stabilize at today's pump price, I calculate about $1400 give or take....That to us means we have enough to go to my nephews wedding in Maryland...Without it, we'd probably have to send a gift, and our apologies for not attending....That's what it means in real terms to real people...All too often we get caught up in saying stuff like 'aw, it's only a dollar or two'.... But, I gotta tell ya, with all the prices out there, and both me and the wife working our butts off just to have pennies left at the end of the month, I take very seriously when this administration doesn't take things that are passed along to us into account.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I can see by that map why TC want's to stick as close to the original route...Shortest distance between two points is a straight line, as opposed to the wild route highlighted in red....But, surely there is a compromise, like I said before, it seems that there is only one tribal hold out out of the many involved.
    According to following article it is not just one tribe but several who are against the pipeline going through their land.


    The Rosebud Sioux Tribe, along with several other South Dakota Tribes, are unified in opposition to risky and dangerous fossil fuel projects like TransCanada’s Keystone XL. The proposed route of TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline crosses directly through Great Sioux Nation (Oceti Sakowin) Treaty lands as defined by both the 1851 and 1868 Fort Laramie Treaties and within the current exterior boundaries of the Rosebud Sioux Reservation and Cheyenne River Sioux Reservation.
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    Environment: South Dakota Native Americans describe House vote on Keystone XL pipeline as an ‘act of war’ | Summit County Citizens Voice
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    According to following article it is not just one tribe but several who are against the pipeline going through their land.



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    Environment: South Dakota Native Americans describe House vote on Keystone XL pipeline as an ‘act of war’ | Summit County Citizens Voice
    Well, In reading this story from the guardian; South Dakota Sioux tribe calls Keystone XL pipeline approval 'act of war' | Environment | The Guardian some Environmental nuts have really clouded these tribes thinking on the pipeline...This is the most studied pipeline in history, and probably the safest one too....You have more chance spilling oil today adding it to your engine than you do from this pipeline.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, In reading this story from the guardian; South Dakota Sioux tribe calls Keystone XL pipeline approval 'act of war' | Environment | The Guardian some Environmental nuts have really clouded these tribes thinking on the pipeline...This is the most studied pipeline in history, and probably the safest one too....You have more chance spilling oil today adding it to your engine than you do from this pipeline.
    Actually as a long time Michigan resident I do not trust pipelines as much as you do.
    I remember the 2010 Enbridge tar sand oil spill quite vividly.


    Response History

    Enbridge Energy Partners LLP (Enbridge) reported a 30-inch pipeline ruptured on Monday, July 26, 2010, near Marshall, Michigan. The release, estimated at 843,000 gallons, entered Talmadge Creek and flowed into the Kalamazoo River, a Lake Michigan tributary. Heavy rains caused the river to overtop existing dams and carried oil 35 miles downstream on the Kalamazoo River.
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    http://www.epa.gov/enbridgespill/
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