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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

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    Where is the discussion on wind farms where I approved of private companies using eminent domain to install the turbines on the property of unwilling ranchers? It doesn't exist - I'd never support such a thing. I can't really imagine supporting it if it was governments seizing that land, but it would make more sense because the power generated by that wind farm would benefit the local community directly. At any rate, you're making up positions I haven't taken then calling me a hypocrite based on these invented positions.



    Point me to this thread about wind farms where I took this position.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How do you figure that they are?
    because 2% of the land in Nebraska that was needed for the project was taken via eminent domain.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

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    The pipeline route runs almost exclusively through farmland, pasture and empty prairie.
    which is owned by people.....
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Crossing the Line - The Texas Observer

    And LMAO at the "the story sounds made up." Based on what? The "it's the property owner's obligation" is even better!!

    Good grief. The excavation crew went through a septic field. Whoever was or wasn't responsible for pointing that out ahead of time, it's the damn pipeline company's responsibility to fix it after they destroyed her septic field. And you guys wonder why some landowners might not decide to grant the easement
    It is the property owner's obligation to point out the septic field. I'm glad you were able to find a single negative case.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    which is owned by people.....
    Who are almost always delighted to receive the right of way payments.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I can't prove a negative.
    ??? I guess I missed your point entirely.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is the property owner's obligation to point out the septic field. I'm glad you were able to find a single negative case.
    It is not a single negative case.

    Here is what happened when an oil pipeline burst in the town of Mayflower.


    Thompson hasn’t been fishing much. Ever since Exxon Mobil’s Pegasus pipeline burst in March and spilled an estimated 210,000 gallons of Canadian heavy crude oil two miles from his house, he’s had headaches of preternatural intensity, so bad they wake him up in the middle of the night. He has nosebleeds, and hemorrhoids even though he’s only 36; there’s a rash on his neck that has only gotten worse in the eight months since the spill; and some days he feels so weak that he can hardly get out of bed. He estimates that he has lost almost 35 pounds since the rupture, falling from a fit 220 down to 185. When he went to see a doctor in April, he was told he has a mysterious spot on one lung—but he hasn’t been able to afford to go back.

    Hundreds of people in this working-class town of 2,200 have complained of symptoms like Thompson’s. And their maladies—respiratory disorders, nausea, fatigue, nosebleeds, bowel issues, throbbing headaches—echo the ones that appeared in Marshall, Michigan, where an Enbridge Energy pipeline burst in 2010.
    The two pipelines were carrying the same kind of oil: a heavy crude, or bitumen, mined in the tar sands of Alberta, Canada, which is thicker and rawer than the oil extracted in the United States. This is also the oil that would flow in record quantities through the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, if President Barack Obama decides to approve it.

    Crews work to clean up oil in Mayflower, days after a pipeline ruptured and spewed oil over lawns and roadways.
    The Mayflower spill should alarm communities along Keystone’s proposed route. Experts believe it happened in part because the leaden crude from the Alberta tar sands erodes pipelines faster than the oil the U.S. is used to shipping: Bitumen is so thick, it has to be transported at higher pressures and temperatures, and it must be diluted with gas before it can flow, which can lead to violent pressure swings inside the pipeline.
    This new danger isn’t inspiring much caution in the energy industry, judging by the Associated Press's recent revelation that 300 spills have occurred in North Dakota alone in less than two years, and all were kept secret. On average, U.S. pipelines spilled over 3.1 million gallons a year between 2008 and 2012, according to the Pipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA). As for the Keystone project, Public Citizen released a report this month documenting over 125 patches, dents, and other worrisome anomalies in its southern half.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Im still trying to figure out why this oil pipeline is such a big deal.

    Can anyone explain why it matters whether or not yet another oil pipeline from Canada into the U.S. is built..... bringing in, from what I have heard, the ****tiest quality of oil imaginable.

    It gives employees some work to do (I won't say it CREATES jobs, because something tells me the people who are going to build this are already employed and would have had other projects to work on) for a little while..... possibly creating some jobs in the refinery business.

    On the other hand..... what is the argument against it?

    So, for the most part I, A. Don't get why its a big deal to pass it... like its so damned important. and B. Don't understand why its a big deal that it happens, like swans are going to fall out of the sky dead from the "environmental impact"

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is the property owner's obligation to point out the septic field. I'm glad you were able to find a single negative case.
    Yeah, OK, it must be the landowner's fault because....something! What's funny is you can't even admit it's the pipeline's responsibility to make it right.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    It is not a single negative case.

    Here is what happened when an oil pipeline burst in the town of Mayflower.



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    Exxon Oil Spill in Arkansas 2013: How a Pipeline Burst in Mayflower | The New Republic
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