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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said I approved of ID. But, I'm not the one saying that ID is wrong, then never uttering a word when the wind industry does the exact same thing. That would be you.
    Where is the discussion on wind farms where I approved of private companies using eminent domain to install the turbines on the property of unwilling ranchers? It doesn't exist - I'd never support such a thing. I can't really imagine supporting it if it was governments seizing that land, but it would make more sense because the power generated by that wind farm would benefit the local community directly. At any rate, you're making up positions I haven't taken then calling me a hypocrite based on these invented positions.

    You claim that a pipeline right of way reduces the development value of a piece of property, yet say nothing about wind farms making a property absolutely worthless for development.
    Point me to this thread about wind farms where I took this position.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Did the potato farm have a pipeline running through it ??
    What does that have to do with anything? You're the one making the hilarious argument that it's no biggee to have a permanent easement across your property, not me.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Did the potato farm have a pipeline running through it ??
    No pipeline was running through it. A pipeline would have killed the deal.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The landowner still owns the land. The pipeline company purchases a right-of-way easement. The vast majority of farmers see these as welcome moneymakers.
    What's a bit telling is how weak the conservatives' arguments are on this issue. I guess I understand - if you value property rights, it's hard to defend giving a private company the authority to usurp them for private gain. But you have to know that argument is really weak.

    The "vast majority" of farmers probably sell out to developers. But whether they do or not doesn't affect in the slightest whether we should grant developers the right of eminent domain to force holdouts to sell.

    And you're kidding yourself about the false distinction between property and easements. As I mentioned, the county condemned part of an old family home site to install high tension power lines across the property. We can still do whatever we want under those lines and all around the gigantic supports. Grow crops, graze horses, cows, run dogs, plant a garden. What no one can do any longer is build a house on that property, so it cut the value by probably 80%. We supposedly got compensated for that, but we also gave up the potential future appreciation of that property, and we had no choice whether or not to do that.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    No pipeline was running through it. A pipeline would have killed the deal.
    Of course it would have, but Gill is somehow pretending that if your uncle had been forced to accept a pipeline, no biggee because he'd still have been able to grow potatoes....

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What's a bit telling is how weak the conservatives' arguments are on this issue. I guess I understand - if you value property rights, it's hard to defend giving a private company the authority to usurp them for private gain. But you have to know that argument is really weak.

    The "vast majority" of farmers probably sell out to developers. But whether they do or not doesn't affect in the slightest whether we should grant developers the right of eminent domain to force holdouts to sell.

    And you're kidding yourself about the false distinction between property and easements. As I mentioned, the county condemned part of an old family home site to install high tension power lines across the property. We can still do whatever we want under those lines and all around the gigantic supports. Grow crops, graze horses, cows, run dogs, plant a garden. What no one can do any longer is build a house on that property, so it cut the value by probably 80%. We supposedly got compensated for that, but we also gave up the potential future appreciation of that property, and we had no choice whether or not to do that.
    Since I'm not conservative I really could not care less about the weakness you perceive in their arguments or anyone else's. For my part it's a simple proposition. The pipeline is a valuable addition to our industrial infrastructure and capacity, and is to be built across largely empty land. The value of community is to come together for the greater good of all.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Of course it would have, but Gill is somehow pretending that if your uncle had been forced to accept a pipeline, no biggee because he'd still have been able to grow potatoes....
    Except he didn't want to grow potatoes anymore.
    It was retirement time and by selling the land for real estate he was able to enjoy his retirement not worrying about money or crops or whether it rained or not.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If Keystone XL has not been approved by 2016 then the Repubs will use it and gain quite a bit.
    Which is bs because one project does not change the economy. To take land from people in order to achieve corporate profit is just terrible.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Which is bs because one project does not change the economy. To take land from people in order to achieve corporate profit is just terrible.
    It is a powerful visual and symbolic issue. And no one is "taking" anything. The right-of-way is paid for and the vast majority of farmers and ranchers welcome the income.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is a powerful visual and symbolic issue. And no one is "taking" anything. The right-of-way is paid for and the vast majority of farmers and ranchers welcome the income.
    Try telling that to the people being bent over and forced to leave so a private company can make a profit.
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