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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    "Certain rights", not all rights. I already said they could not build a permanent structure over it or build a pond. Guess that qualifies a "certain rights".

    Big deal, they are handsomely compensated up front and yearly.
    $21,000 ( the amount offered to the landowner in the article ) is not a lot of money especially when you could sell the the land for much more to a developer.

    My uncle sold his 80 acre potato farm for over a couple of million years ago to a developer.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    $21,000 ( the amount offered to the landowner in the article ) is not a lot of money especially when you could sell the the land for much more to a developer.

    My uncle sold his 80 acre potato farm for over a couple of million years ago to a developer.
    Let me get this straight.... you are actually comparing an 80 acre potato farm to an easement covering 1 1/2 acres ????

    They are getting $3.14 a square foot for the easement. They can still use the land for farming/ranching. Sounds more than fair to me.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There's no point to miss. This is a minor addition to already existing pipeline capacity in the US, many many thousands of miles, and there's no history of unfair treatment of landowners.
    Sure there is, you just haven't looked for it. Not to mention that you assume, "We WILL take your land to build this private pipeline" is by definition "fair" and the only question is whether the landowner gets paid or has some minimal say in WHERE across the property they'll install this pipeline.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No private company has been given the right to condemn anyone's property. The government is doing that.
    Correct, the states granted the right of eminent domain to the pipeline company. Read the story posted just above by minnie.

    Your big government takes private property against the owner's will all the time. Why are you complaining about it now? It's done all the time to build wind farms and you never complained about that.
    If you have an example, present it and we can discuss it. Otherwise, what's your point? If I support eminent domain in any case, I have to support it in all cases? That's bizarre and would apply to you as well.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Let me get this straight.... you are actually comparing an 80 acre potato farm to an easement covering 1 1/2 acres ????

    They are getting $3.14 a square foot for the easement. They can still use the land for farming/ranching. Sounds more than fair to me.
    Goodness, if that 80 acre potato farm had a pipeline running through the middle of it, it would be worth FAR less for development. That's not rocket science observation there. The pipeline is a significant and forever harm to the value of your property because of the permanent restrictions on the use of that land.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Correct, the states granted the right of eminent domain to the pipeline company. Read the story posted just above by minnie.



    If you have an example, present it and we can discuss it. Otherwise, what's your point? If I support eminent domain in any case, I have to support it in all cases? That's bizarre and would apply to you as well.
    You can't complain about imminent domain concerning the pipeline, then condone it when it furthers your agenda. That's called hypocrisy.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can't complain about imminent domain concerning the pipeline, then condone it when it furthers your agenda. That's called hypocrisy.
    When did I condone it to further "my agenda?"

    And since you approve of eminent domain here, you must approve use of it in ALL cases or you're a hypocrite? Interesting..... I don't agree!!

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    When did I condone it to further "my agenda?"

    And since you approve of eminent domain here, you must approve use of it in ALL cases or you're a hypocrite? Interesting..... I don't agree!!
    I never said I approved of ID. But, I'm not the one saying that ID is wrong, then never uttering a word when the wind industry does the exact same thing. That would be you.

    You claim that a pipeline right of way reduces the development value of a piece of property, yet say nothing about wind farms making a property absolutely worthless for development.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Goodness, if that 80 acre potato farm had a pipeline running through the middle of it, it would be worth FAR less for development. That's not rocket science observation there. The pipeline is a significant and forever harm to the value of your property because of the permanent restrictions on the use of that land.
    Did the potato farm have a pipeline running through it ??

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sure there is, you just haven't looked for it. Not to mention that you assume, "We WILL take your land to build this private pipeline" is by definition "fair" and the only question is whether the landowner gets paid or has some minimal say in WHERE across the property they'll install this pipeline.
    The landowner still owns the land. The pipeline company purchases a right-of-way easement. The vast majority of farmers see these as welcome moneymakers.
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