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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I've heard that thrown around... and I am not saying it's not true, but can you source that?
    Source, or no source; ask yourself: are railroads and trucks safer than pipelines?
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They're "safe" except when they're not, and whether they are safer than the alternatives isn't the point - they fail, regularly.

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    And the actual point I was making is being forced to allow a pipeline through your land is potentially "a big f'ing deal" if/when it fails.
    That's why the right of way is paid for and the pipeline operator assumes liability.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's true, but does it being true mean if Keystone decides to install a pipeline through your front yard that you should have no say in it?
    Ive been on dozens of pipeline jobs and have yet to see one running through anyone's front yard.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's true, but does it being true mean if Keystone decides to install a pipeline through your front yard that you should have no say in it?
    The route is negotiated and right of way is paid for.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That's why the right of way is paid for and the pipeline operator assumes liability.
    I don't think we're having the same conversation, because I have no idea what the point of that is. You're pointing out that Keystone will do the absolute bare minimum required - pay to take your land and "assume liability" for their own screw ups. And....

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ive been on dozens of pipeline jobs and have yet to see one running through anyone's front yard.
    Intentionally missing the point I see. What relevance is the relative safety of pipelines versus rail to the question of whether a private company should be given the right to condemn your property for its private use?

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The route is negotiated and right of way is paid for.
    The route actually is NOT negotiated with the landowners. That's sort of the whole point of this part of the discussion.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're the one embarrassing himself. Those "only" restrictions ARE A "LOSS OF LAND USE". It's why Keystone is paying landowners for the easement. In some cases mid six figures at least. Sheesh. If you had a stand of trees, they've been bulldozed and will stay bulldozed. In 5 years if they want, they can dig anywhere along that easement and lay more pipes. They can enter your property at any time, bring their trucks through your planted fields if they need to. Etc.

    And a pipeline is perfectly safe like drilling in the Gulf a mile deep is safe. it's not WHETHER but when and where the pipeline will fail and dump a bunch of hazardous materials onto someone's land. It's a 36 inch line, so the spill can be catastrophic. If it's near a water supply, you're f'd.

    Ignorance is bliss for some liberals that have a knee jerk reaction to any energy related issue other than solar and wind:


    Pipe 2.JPG

    Pipeline through a park.

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    Sheep grazing over a pipeline.

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    Oil spill and train derailment.

    You should get out of the city more often. If you did, you would see hundreds of those little pipeline markers throughout the countryside. They are the only indication that a pipeline is buried in the area.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ignorance is bliss for some liberals that have a knee jerk reaction to any energy related issue other than solar and wind:

    You should get out of the city more often. If you did, you would see hundreds of those little pipeline markers throughout the countryside. They are the only indication that a pipeline is buried in the area.
    Yes, I imagine ignorance does make some conservatives lives easier. We have a pipeline through our farm, and power lines. And I don't live in the city, and probably spend more time outdoors than you do - what I do (mostly) for recreation is hiking, biking, fishing, and some hunting.

    Pretty picture of the train derailment. Guess pipelines don't fail in your alternate reality.

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    Finally, I don't care one way or the other about Keystone. Like many have said, the oil is coming out, and it's going to be transported somewhere, somehow. But I am NOT a fan of eminent domain for exclusively private purposes, and am pretty amazed and amused how easily "conservatives" abandon even the pretense of principle (in this case, property rights) when it might put them on the same side of an issue with liberals.

    Just say you don't care about property rights and we can agree to disagree! But pretending none are at stake by posting pretty pictures is pretty hilariously wrongheaded.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ignorance is bliss for some liberals that have a knee jerk reaction to any energy related issue other than solar and wind:


    Pipe 2.JPG

    Pipeline through a park.

    PIpe.jpg

    Sheep grazing over a pipeline.

    train.jpg

    Oil spill and train derailment.

    You should get out of the city more often. If you did, you would see hundreds of those little pipeline markers throughout the countryside. They are the only indication that a pipeline is buried in the area.
    You really thought that was a convincing argument? You show one in total chaos and the other going well, and that's your argument that one is better than the other. A train crash vs a park.

    Genius argument.
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