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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That he is. How do some of these people ever get elected?
    A very Liberal district, the same as Pelosi.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

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    You are embarrassing yourself. I encourage you to read up on the subject before you dig yourself in deeper.

    The land is immediately usable after the pipeline is laid. The only restrictions are no ponds and no permanent structures on the easement.
    You're the one embarrassing himself. Those "only" restrictions ARE A "LOSS OF LAND USE". It's why Keystone is paying landowners for the easement. In some cases mid six figures at least. Sheesh. If you had a stand of trees, they've been bulldozed and will stay bulldozed. In 5 years if they want, they can dig anywhere along that easement and lay more pipes. They can enter your property at any time, bring their trucks through your planted fields if they need to. Etc.

    And a pipeline is perfectly safe like drilling in the Gulf a mile deep is safe. it's not WHETHER but when and where the pipeline will fail and dump a bunch of hazardous materials onto someone's land. It's a 36 inch line, so the spill can be catastrophic. If it's near a water supply, you're f'd.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're the one embarrassing himself. Those "only" restrictions ARE A "LOSS OF LAND USE". It's why Keystone is paying landowners for the easement. In some cases mid six figures at least. Sheesh. If you had a stand of trees, they've been bulldozed and will stay bulldozed. In 5 years if they want, they can dig anywhere along that easement and lay more pipes. They can enter your property at any time, bring their trucks through your planted fields if they need to. Etc.

    And a pipeline is perfectly safe like drilling in the Gulf a mile deep is safe. it's not WHETHER but when and where the pipeline will fail and dump a bunch of hazardous materials onto someone's land. It's a 36 inch line, so the spill can be catastrophic. If it's near a water supply, you're f'd.
    Pipelines are the safest means to transport petroleum.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Pipelines are the safest means to transport petroleum.
    I've heard that thrown around... and I am not saying it's not true, but can you source that?
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I've heard that thrown around... and I am not saying it's not true, but can you source that?
    Issue Brief 23 | Pipelines Are Safest For Transportation Of Oil And Gas


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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    From a conservative think tank? I think this sums it up best:

    Pick Your Poison For Crude -- Pipeline, Rail, Truck Or Boat - Forbes
    The short answer is: truck worse than train worse than pipeline worse than boat (Oilprice.com). But that’s only for human death and property destruction. For the normalized amount of oil spilled, it’s truck worse than pipeline worse than rail worse than boat (Congressional Research Service). Different yet again is for environmental impact (dominated by impact to aquatic habitat), where it’s boat worse than pipeline worse than truck worse than rail.

    So it depends upon what your definition is for worse. Is it death and destruction? Is it amount of oil released? Is it land area or water volume contaminated? Is it habitat destroyed? Is it CO2 emitted?
    They all suck.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    From a conservative think tank? I think this sums it up best:

    Pick Your Poison For Crude -- Pipeline, Rail, Truck Or Boat - Forbes


    They all suck.
    I don't think they suck at all. Transport of oil and natural gas products is essential to our modern industry/technology based society. We are fortunate to have choices.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't think they suck at all. Transport of oil and natural gas products is essential to our modern industry/technology based society. We are fortunate to have choices.
    Yes, oil does wonderful things for sure. That's where our agreement ends.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Pipelines are the safest means to transport petroleum.
    They're "safe" except when they're not, and whether they are safer than the alternatives isn't the point - they fail, regularly.

    More Than 300 A Year: New Analysis Shows Devastating Impact of Pipeline Spills | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

    In total there have been more than 8,700 significant incidents with U.S. pipelines involving death, injury, and economic and environmental damage since 1986, the Center reports—more than 300 per year.
    And the actual point I was making is being forced to allow a pipeline through your land is potentially "a big f'ing deal" if/when it fails.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't think they suck at all. Transport of oil and natural gas products is essential to our modern industry/technology based society. We are fortunate to have choices.
    That's true, but does it being true mean if Keystone decides to install a pipeline through your front yard that you should have no say in it?

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