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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well several historical examples prove that to be wrong....
    Not true. Every refinery that increases capacity increases employment.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Risk our country's water system for 50 jobs?

    Bernie Sanders dropped a truth bombshell on the Senate.



    On the Senate floor, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) hit the Senate with the blunt truth. The construction of the Keystone XL pipeline is an insane idea.


    As the Senate debated a bill that would approve the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, Sen. Sanders said, “The scientific community is telling us that we have a narrow window of opportunity to address the crisis of climate change and to transform our energy system away from fossil fuels and into energy efficiency and sustainable energy. This legislation would move us in exactly the wrong direction toward not only more dependence on fossil fuels but on some of the dirtiest fossil fuel imaginable. That is insane.”

    Sanders also hammered the Republican claim that the pipeline is a jobs program, “To talk about 50 permanent jobs as a ‘jobs program’ is nothing more than a cruel and misleading hoax to workers in this country who want and need decent-paying jobs…If we are serious about a jobs program, let us rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, our roads, bridges, water systems, rail, airports and older schools. Let us create jobs by transforming our energy system away from fossil fuels to energy efficiency, weatherization and sustainable energy. That is a program that will create millions of decent jobs.”

    Bernie Sanders is correct. The push to pass Keystone is the kind of crazy that is fueled by special interest money in politics.
    Those who support the pipeline have gone to extreme lengths to cover up the true purpose of the project. The United States is nothing more than travel route for Canadian tar sands oil to be exported Asia and other countries. The pipeline isn’t a game changer for U.S. energy independence. In fact, it is the exact opposite. It encourages the reliance on fossil fuels.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I do not CARE whether the "people of Nebraska" see 'economic benefit.' What I'm discussing is property rights and whether the government should have the power to seize YOUR farm and transfer it to GE if, for example, enough of your neighbors think doing so would benefit them. I don't know why you're deliberately missing the point.



    Buffett's not the issue, but nice try.

    And you mentioned railroads. Sure, eminent domain is used all the time for such projects, roads, bridges, power lines. In fact my grandfather's old rural 10 acre home place had a major power line built right through the middle of it - ruined it for purposes of anyone putting another home there. A nice man met with my mother, said here's the check, we asked what our options were, he said "None - you can sue but you'll lose."

    But the public benefit or use of a railroad or road or bridge or that power line is obvious and uncontroversial. Other than some lease payments, I'm not seeing the public benefit to Nebraska from a pipeline transporting Canadian oil to Texas refineries.
    I understand completely and that is a concern of mine too.

    I understand the public benefit when roads, bridges, railroads and power lines are being built but pipelines for another country is I feel misuse of eminent domain.

    When my mother was a child , the state decided to build a highway through their farmland.
    The house , barn , creamery, and other building were on one side of the highway and the grazing/farmland was on the other side of the highway. They had to sell most of those dairy cows and give up the creamery business because taking the cows across the highway to graze during the day and them bringing them in the evening to milk became too risky for them and the cows.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    You agree that the supreme court's eminent domain rulings are "the darkest hours in the history of this country's Supreme Court"?
    Then why are you defending this pipeline's use of eminent domain in your previous post?
    You are correct on the SC's liberal court members' support of eminent domain in recent rulings.
    Apples and oranges. In Kelo, the city took the land away from the owner so a private company could build a project. In other words, the owner would lose use of the land permanently.

    The ranchers will retain use of their land after the pipeline is built. They are free to continue grazing cattle or growing crops over the pipe. NO loss of land use.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    And I'm on the side of that one guy who doesn't want to move.
    Well, the people in Alabama agree with you. They got to build a billion dollar plant, employ thousands of people in high paying automotive jobs, and the economy took in millions of dollars in tax benefits.

    Because of that one guy, Kentucky got zip from this project.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Apples and oranges. In Kelo, the city took the land away from the owner so a private company could build a project. In other words, the owner would lose use of the land permanently.

    The ranchers will retain use of their land after the pipeline is built. They are free to continue grazing cattle or growing crops over the pipe. NO loss of land use.
    There is loss of land use - landowners can't do anything with the land along that 50 or 100 foot easement. Plus there is that little issue of having a pipeline carrying toxic materials across your land.

    And if they can "just" acquire permanent easements across your property, they can seize the same property. The only reason Keystone isn't buying the property outright is an easement is cheaper.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Construction, engineering, architecture, truckers, supervisors, artists, musicians, etc. But yes the good majority of the WPA was construction projects.
    Which proves the, "temporary job", argument is bull corn.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Risk our country's water system for 50 jobs?

    Bernie Sanders dropped a truth bombshell on the Senate.



    Bernie Sanders Drops A Truth Bomb On The Senate: Constructing The Keystone Pipeline Is Insane
    Sanders is a ****ing nut.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sanders is a ****ing nut.
    That he is. How do some of these people ever get elected?

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There is loss of land use - landowners can't do anything with the land along that 50 or 100 foot easement. Plus there is that little issue of having a pipeline carrying toxic materials across your land.

    And if they can "just" acquire permanent easements across your property, they can seize the same property. The only reason Keystone isn't buying the property outright is an easement is cheaper.
    You are embarrassing yourself. I encourage you to read up on the subject before you dig yourself in deeper.

    The land is immediately usable after the pipeline is laid. The only restrictions are no ponds and no permanent structures on the easement.

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