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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Nobody is "taking" anything from anybody. The ranchers will be paid a lump sum price for the land, probably 50' to 100' wide across their property. The prices I've heard are between $5 and $25 a lineal foot. They will also be paid a pro-rated sum for about five years for crop loss. The pipeline will be installed very quickly and the topsoil will be replaced over it. Within a couple of years, nobody would know it was there without the pipeline markers to prevent digging over it. The ranchers can plant crops and graze cattle over the pipeline just like they did before. The only restrictions will be no ponds and no permanent structures over the pipe.

    Many farmers/ranchers jump at the chance to have a pipeline built across their land, just like they do when a cell tower is built on their land. Good, easy money.
    That's all well and good, but it takes just 1 who doesn't want it on his land to make it wrong. The idea of using eminent domain for a foreign private company is appalling.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I agree. Most people don't realize that it was the liberals on the court who ruled that eminent domain could be used for private enterprise and conservatives on the court dissented.
    Yup, exactly right. I always wonder when Liberals scream about corporations stealing from the little guy and blah blah why they don't scream concurrently about the Liberals on the bench enabling it through that ruling.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    That's all well and good, but it takes just 1 who doesn't want it on his land to make it wrong. The idea of using eminent domain for a foreign private company is appalling.
    I have mixed feelings on this. Should one person be able to prevent a major project that could bring money and prosperity to a region with few resources ??

    A few years ago, Hyundai announced plans to build a major plant near here. It would employ thousands of people directly, not counting the support plants that would employ even more. Everyone that owned land in the proposed site agreed to sell, except for one person. They refused. This was before the liberals on the SC ruled that eminent domain could be used for private businesses. Of course Hyundai decided to build their plant in Alabama instead of Kentucky. Thousands of high paying jobs and tax money were lost.

    I don't think that person who refused to sell is a very popular person these days.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I wasn't commenting on you specifically. I was commenting on anyone nave enough to believe that Obama isn't going to Veto this. Its a done deal.

    As for cheap gas. the pipeline will have little to no effect on the price of gas. Its a drop in the bucket.....
    That may be the reality, but I don't think that's that everyone's conclusion is going to be. Remember, these are the folks who don't read newspapers, or watch TV news. They get the information they base their opinions from FB, Twitter, etc.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    To be fair, and truthful, no foreign corporation is using eminent domain to force US citizens to do anything. A foreign corporation partly owned by Americans and American entities, is going through the American approval process just like any other corporation that wishes to do business in America, and American bureaucrats and politicians are making the domain decisions if and when they approve the project. No corporation has the power to take a citizen's land. Governments do that.
    It's a distinction without a difference IMO. Bottom line is landowners are being ordered to allow a purely for profit entity to seize their land for private use. What's the public benefit? The private benefits flow primarily to Canadian oil companies and Keystone. Some refineries in Texas will benefit. For what public purpose must a landowner in Nebraska be forced to make that happen?

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

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    Oh, that the latest excuse?
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's a distinction without a difference IMO. Bottom line is landowners are being ordered to allow a purely for profit entity to seize their land for private use. What's the public benefit? The private benefits flow primarily to Canadian oil companies and Keystone. Some refineries in Texas will benefit. For what public purpose must a landowner in Nebraska be forced to make that happen?
    Again, no, it's not a private entity seizing land for private use. It's a local government seizing land to be used, by way of lease and tax payments, by a private entity. The local government determines it's in the public interest to lease the land for such uses. It provides revenue to the local communities that would otherwise not be available.

    I can appreciate you don't like eminent domain laws, but Trans Canada Pipelines didn't invent them, legislate them, or enforce them. If you've got a problem with them, you've got a problem with your political leaders and your court system.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    I guess it's settled then ... Obama wants to work with Republicans but they better wise up and only do what he wants. Seems fair.

    It'll be interesting to see what excuse he gives.
    Didn't the State Dept. report give approval?

    Reminds me of something ... remember long long long ago Obama promised that when he gets something to sign he'd post the bill for 5 days for all to review before he decides.
    You know how long that promise survived? A few days.

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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Again, no, it's not a private entity seizing land for private use. It's a local government seizing land to be used, by way of lease and tax payments, by a private entity. The local government determines it's in the public interest to lease the land for such uses. It provides revenue to the local communities that would otherwise not be available.
    The point was whether it's the private entity seizing the land or the government granting the private entity the right to seize the land isn't a distinction worth quibbling over. The end result is the same.

    I can appreciate you don't like eminent domain laws, but Trans Canada Pipelines didn't invent them, legislate them, or enforce them. If you've got a problem with them, you've got a problem with your political leaders and your court system.
    That's right - eminent domain is to be used for "public use." And I don't really understand conservatives who have historically championed private property rights cheering on this project with little to no concern over the fact eminent domain is being used to condemn private property to benefit Canadian oil companies, Keystone, and Texas refineries. I'm not sure what the alleged public purpose even is?

    And IMO we should all have a problem when all it takes for a private entity to seize our property is a majority vote by some legislative body.
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    Re: Senate passes bill approving Keystone XL oil pipeline Associated Press By DINA CA

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The point was whether it's the private entity seizing the land or the government granting the private entity the right to seize the land isn't a distinction worth quibbling over. The end result is the same.



    That's right - eminent domain is to be used for "public use." And I don't really understand conservatives who have historically championed private property rights cheering on this project with little to no concern over the fact eminent domain is being used to condemn private property to benefit Canadian oil companies, Keystone, and Texas refineries. I'm not sure what the alleged public purpose even is?

    And IMO we should all have a problem when all it takes for a private entity to seize our property is a majority vote by some legislative body.
    It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it's still not true. Private entities are not seizing property. In this case, and others, the jurisdiction - that's government - takes control of the land, pays the landowner, and then leases access to the land to the private entity. The private entity at no time owns the land so your claim that they seize it is nonsense.

    Secondly, jurisdictions don't agree to do this for no benefit to their community. They gain revenue from leases and taxes for the life of the pipeline, which is around 30 to 40 years, and in many of the jurisdictions, they gain employment which also generates wealth for individuals in the communities and economic activity and tax revenue that springs from that employment.

    I appreciate that you may think politicians are utter idiots, and some are, but I don't know of a single politician who would agree to such a project without garnering some benefit to the community they serve. Don't you find it strange, if you believe what you post, that politicians in all the jurisdictions directly affected approve of this project and a large majority of the populations in the affected jurisdictions approve this project, but those who aren't directly affected, perhaps like those in Tennessee or Hollywood, don't approve of the project?
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