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'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

jmotivator said:
Of course the simple counter argument to your rationale is that the attack on the president is only unlikely because a lot of people take the threat more seriously than you do.

When the secret service starts thinking like you do that is when guys jump the fence and wind up in White House.
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But they don't, so it's moot. Any other arguments that don't apply?
 
MMC said:
Mornin MS. :2wave: You are correct that BO peep doesn't bear any sole responsibility for Islamic Terrorism.....but now ISIS/ISIL/AQIL that does fall on him. Especially their expansion.
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Thanks for the greet MMC!

Absolutely. It's his job, and he should have been on top of it.

MMC said:
The generalities of the Arab Israeli relations are only part of it. As the Arabs Sectarian divide also plays a part. With Both sides that believe in Sharia Law.
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Yep.

MMC said:
Now it is BO peep and his lost sheep that ran the False Narrative.....AQ is a former Shadow of themselves. Moreover BO's policy for ISIS has been a failure. AQ has increased in Strength as has ISIS and Ansar al Sharia.
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I should not say it, but that's one of the things that gets me about Obama. He does that same old rah rah cheerleading crap that is misleading. That said, he didn't start that. It seems that has been a part of our foreign policy PR for a while. Remember that "mission accomplished" BS? EWWW!! I can't stand that kind of crap. I figured Obama would do some of that, but I didn't expect him to take it to the same level as in the past. Again, that's one of the things that burns me up about him.

MMC said:
I would disagree that we have to clean up the ME. The Egyptian President gave a truly remarkable speech just a couple of weeks ago. Telling the Clerics of the Sunni Doctrine that it falls on them. They have to get out and start talking to the youth. Take back their religion from the Heretics looking to dominate and take control of it. Now that's where it starts and then with other Muslims going after these heretics despite any belief they have in Sharia Law.

Which we still have the Arab countries telling us.....they cannot do it on their own. That's where we come and others come in as it is everybody's problem.

But you are Right about dealing with those so called Allies.


US should stop Syria not ISIS: Saudi prince.....

U.S. policymakers should concentrate on eliminating the threat posed by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad instead of Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, according to an influential member of the Saudi Arabian royal family.

Prince Turki bin Faisal Al Saud told CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos that the reason why Islamic State exists is because of what's happening in Syria and has called on U.S. authorities including the government, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military to act.....snip~

US should stop Syria not ISIS: Saudi Prince.

I would tell the Saud to shut up and get to work.....Now! Since they are the cause of this a whole issue with Syria.
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Well we certainly should not have to do it. It should actually fall on the players over there to do it. And let me clarify, I still think there is a chance for them to step up to the plate, with some limited support from us. But if they don't do it, for whatever reason, because it is our problem as well at the end of the day, we may very well have to do it. I really really hope it does not come to that because that would be very very ugly. But that may be the only way.

Definitely agree with respect to the Saudis and Syria. That's right, tell them to quit whining and get to work.

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I almost forgot, like that "BO peep" thing!!! That was a good one!!!! :lamo
 
DDD said:
How is making the OP aware that the post was obvious considered as "Ad hominem?"
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You went after me, not the OP. Don't back down now.
 
Zyphlin said:
Not bloody likely. And if even attempted I expect significant fury from this population regardless of their thoughts on the POTUS
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DDD does not seem to think so, I'd like to hear him own up to why.
 
Ikari said:
But they don't, so it's moot. Any other arguments that don't apply?
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For what it's worth, I don't think any rational person truly thinks that a band of ISIS fighters could get to the POTUS, but this isn't about whether it's possible, rather the policy of appeasement followed by this administration is worthless and only plays into the enemies hand. Like we have been saying for this entire failed Presidency.
 
j-mac said:
For what it's worth, I don't think any rational person truly thinks that a band of ISIS fighters could get to the POTUS, but this isn't about whether it's possible, rather the policy of appeasement followed by this administration is worthless and only plays into the enemies hand. Like we have been saying for this entire failed Presidency.
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So Obama made ISIS? I do think that the US indirectly had a hand in it, we destablilzed the region and haven't brought to an end 14 years of armed conflict yet, and so we're making prime terrorist breeding environments; but still I wouldn't hold Bush or Obama responsible for the terrorists. And there's likely credible threats that we could have debate or concern on, this threat is just some ramblings of crazy people and won't see the light of day.
 
j-mac said:
For what it's worth, I don't think any rational person truly thinks that a band of ISIS fighters could get to the POTUS, but this isn't about whether it's possible, rather the policy of appeasement followed by this administration is worthless and only plays into the enemies hand. Like we have been saying for this entire failed Presidency.
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It would be tough, but one of the best protections around POTUS is the point that it is nigh on impossible to get him and get away with it. You will die / get taken out in the course of the attack.

If that doesn't bother you, I imagine, things become easier.
 
Ikari said:
So Obama made ISIS? I do think that the US indirectly had a hand in it, we destablilzed the region and haven't brought to an end 14 years of armed conflict yet, and so we're making prime terrorist breeding environments; but still I wouldn't hold Bush or Obama responsible for the terrorists. And there's likely credible threats that we could have debate or concern on, this threat is just some ramblings of crazy people and won't see the light of day.
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The region is already instable. Blaming the US for that is as intellectually vacuous as blaming Iran or blaming the Ottomans.
 
cpwill said:
The region is already instable. Blaming the US for that is as intellectually vacuous as blaming Iran or blaming the Ottomans.
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Parts of it were bad, Iraq wasn't as bad from this perspective as it now is. We've certainly exacerbated the situation.

I mean, yeah, we didn't start this fire; but we have thrown fuel on it.
 
Ikari said:
So Obama made ISIS? I do think that the US indirectly had a hand in it, we destablilzed the region and haven't brought to an end 14 years of armed conflict yet, and so we're making prime terrorist breeding environments; but still I wouldn't hold Bush or Obama responsible for the terrorists. And there's likely credible threats that we could have debate or concern on, this threat is just some ramblings of crazy people and won't see the light of day.
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Mornin' Ikari. :2wave: No BO didn't make them.....he is a major cause of why they morphed into what they are. His narrative was AQ was on the run. After the hit on BL. The whole time he kept touting Yemen and what he was doing to AQAP. Who were designated the most dangerous of the branches. Which their connection was to AQ Prime and the Z-Man.

To top it off another of AQ prime then went and started the Ansar al Sharia branch. Which spread from Yemen to Libya.

AQIL lived on and then became ISIL. From there we know the rest.


I doubt to many even think they have a chance. But should they ever get a chance.....and make an attempt. Then they will surely discover just what it means......by ZERO Tolerance.
 
CanadaJohn said:
One has to wonder, with the number of people hopping the White House fence and now a recreational drone finding it's way onto the White House lawn, just how secure is the President and the First Family in the White House?

I would be interested in hearing what some Americans think - if one of the First Family somehow happened to be kidnapped by ISIS, would a ransom be paid for their release and if so, to what extent would it go?
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If that did happen, I am sure the ransom would be paid but we wouldn't know anything about it. It would be another one of those state secrets so the government could keep up the facade of not negotiating with terrorists.
 
Hard Truth said:
Odd. I have seen many conservatives claim that Obama supports the Islamist terrorists. I guess they were wrong.
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How do you come to your opinion from the OP?
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: I think we've pushed the region further down the path to eventual stability. It's just a bloody path to get there.

An excellent read for those who argue that autocracy creates stability. It does. In the short term.
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I mean 14 years of things steadily getting worse doesn't really look like a realistic road to a more stable ME. Not when other battles around there have taken up an even greater number of decades.

How many more decades is this bloody road we're on going to last?
 
Ikari said:
I mean 14 years of things steadily getting worse doesn't really look like a realistic road to a more stable ME.
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If that was what we had seen, I think you would have a stronger argument.

But it is not. What we saw was initial spikes in instability followed by a leveling out, followed by a dramatic spike once we left. COIN sucks, but it works.

If you want to see what the "what happens when the US isn't trying to steer events" counterfactual looks like, check out modern Libya, Nigeria, or Syria. (and don't give me the "well we bombed a couple of trucks so no, that's our fault too" line. The idea that the US is able to create the chaos and loss to Islamist elements in those countries by bombing a few trucks or handing out a few weapons is unsupportable, and requires strong confirmation bias from those who want to believe in order to be accepted).


How many more decades is this bloody road we're on going to last?
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:shrug: Fewer if we push to make progress than if we do not. Like Pan-Arab nationalism, Islamist Fundamentalism is a generational thing and it's going to have to be smashed over a full first generation, with holdouts lasting into the next generation.
 
Mason66 said:
If that did happen, I am sure the ransom would be paid but we wouldn't know anything about it. It would be another one of those state secrets so the government could keep up the facade of not negotiating with terrorists.
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I appreciate that, but in this communications and technological age is it at all possible to keep silent the kidnapping of a member of the First Family? You don't think it would be plastered all over the internet by the kidnappers and be the lead story on media all over the world? And how would you get the kidnapped member back without the other side being able to show what they got in return?

The negotiations for Bergdahl were silent too - at least I didn't hear anything about it until the exchange happened, but it was pretty public at that point.
 
Ikari said:
I mean 14 years of things steadily getting worse doesn't really look like a realistic road to a more stable ME. Not when other battles around there have taken up an even greater number of decades.

How many more decades is this bloody road we're on going to last?
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Forever. This started long before 9/11, and until you and I and everybody here is dead and rotting, these Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to never quit.
 
Ikari said:
But they don't, so it's moot. Any other arguments that don't apply?
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No, it isn't a moot point. The reality is it is a threat that we SHOULD take seriously and actually do take seriously.

When the public doesn't take it seriously eventually the government will reflect that.... and you get random dudes showing up in the East Wing, or dinner parties.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
And their boss has resigned and there have been some changes made.
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It hasn't stopped people from jumping the fence though. Nothing would ever have been done had it not become a media disaster.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I appreciate that, but in this communications and technological age is it at all possible to keep silent the kidnapping of a member of the First Family? You don't think it would be plastered all over the internet by the kidnappers and be the lead story on media all over the world? And how would you get the kidnapped member back without the other side being able to show what they got in return?

The negotiations for Bergdahl were silent too - at least I didn't hear anything about it until the exchange happened, but it was pretty public at that point.
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You have a point, but why was it public? Somebody has to say something on our side for anybody to believe it. Who leaked the story of the exchange?
 
US Conservative said:
'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama and turn the U.S. into a 'Muslim province' in new execution video

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Islamic State militants have threatened to behead Barack Obama and turn the U.S. into a Muslim province in the latest gruesome video to emerge from their self-styled caliphate. The footage shows a black-clad jihadist standing over a Kurdish soldier who, in a sickening climax to the video, has his head cut off.

Read more: ISIS threatens to behead Obama in the White House | Daily Mail Online
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...must be trying to win friends amongst American Conservatives.....
 
Erod said:
Forever. This started long before 9/11, and until you and I and everybody here is dead and rotting, these Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to never quit.
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Forever wars are stupid and only encourage unacceptable growth in government power and spending. If you can't give me a solution, then you don't have a solution. And without a solution, I don't think throwing wave after wave of our own men at the problem is going to change anything.
 
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