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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The unfortunate reality is, that may be the only way to stop them. It doesn't matter what level you want to fight at, it might very well be the case that the only way to take them out is to genocide every last one of them. Between that and keeping this war running for years or decades in the future, I'm entirely willing to put them all 6-feet under. The only thing that matters is winning the war. If that's the only way to win, so be it.
    I don't know if that's true. I think that as we are running the campaign, that is not going to produce results. But I refuse to believe that betraying ourselves and our values is the only way we can win something like this.
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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know if that's true. I think that as we are running the campaign, that is not going to produce results. But I refuse to believe that betraying ourselves and our values is the only way we can win something like this.
    These are not people who can be negotiated or reasoned with. They don't fear death, all they want is to take as many with them as they can. They are everywhere and are only too happy to cause as much death and destruction as they can, they think they get special treatment the more they kill.

    You tell me how to beat that while maintaining our "values".
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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No it is not, but neither is not infinity war. Intelligent engagement with end goal in mind, thatís what is necessary. All youíre trying to do is sell me on 14 years of failure. If you canít get the job done, then you canít get it done; thatís all there is to it. You have to try a new method that can possibly do the job. 14 years of failure and no plan, thatís what youíve given me as ďaddressingĒ things. Thatís not good enough.
    What failed was not killing terrorists and fighting radical islam (we largely succeeded there) but several years of downplaying the threats because of the left, and a lack of political will. The war on terror-even if you dont recognize it-is a war we will be in for at least a generation, probably longer-its a long game and tucking tail after a weak dem president isn't long game.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, not at all. It's not forever war or nothing, that's stupid. There are possible avenues to explore that are not the demonstrated failed path of imperial policing.
    Name your brilliant avenues.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That, or you'd have to likely engage in joint police actions instead of straight up military strikes, and propaganda. Lots of pro-American propaganda. Some of the countries are straight up hostile to solving the problem, but if you're going to intervene militarily you need a plan and a way to execute that plan. Stupidity cannot be allowed.
    You think that western propaganda is going to be effective in an islamo-fascist autocracy? These people dont even like other arab muslims they have lived next to for thousands of years. So whats next after that inevitably fails? Keep in mind that the entire time its failing, ISIS will be expanding and strengthening its grip on territory.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    "...wa an Al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq..."

    When did he know that? Before of after he ordered US troops home in time for his re-coronation?

    They are so Muslim, "Muslim extremists" the fact they also kill other Muslims is not new or removes the fact they worship Alah and it is not for him to say who is of a faith different than his, whatever that might be.

    To use his sorry logic, Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland were not Christians during "the troubles".

    This guy is just dishonest to the core...he helps create a mess, then uses proof he screwed up to suggest he's innocent and we should kumbaya Islam this instant.


    "Stupid voters" is right
    If they aren't true muslims, why are they given korans and allowed to practice in prison? Halal food too.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Threatening the life of a US president is against federal law and knows no borders. The Secret Service must be deployed this instant with a Seal Team to apphend these suspects and bring them to Gitmo immediately for a long talk.

    Just like the FBI is tracking down the non terrorists who killed Ambassador Stephens and burned down the Benghazi station. It is only a matter of time before they are found and brought to justice as Holder's DOJ always gets its man except if they're Democrats or Mexican illegals.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They don't really fear anyone, they know that Americans, regardless of side, lack the cajones to do what needs to be done to get rid of them permanently.
    We know what side of the spectrum they support, because they know that the left is more favorable to them.

    And Americans are going to have to figure out that unless they are willing to step up this will only continue, and likely get worse. I hate to say it but its going to have to take another major attack for many to wake up-but even then within a few years the left will make it about politics.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    The single hottest tickets in the world are for death penalty executions...anywhere. The highest priced black market videos are snuff films.

    ISIL is not a bunch of illiterate madmen, but cold, calculating assassins with psychology degrees. They know the US media will pay for visuals like this if they could get away with it. They know Americans will be horrified and drawn to it at the same time and they know you are squeamish when it comes to children and women. I once saw a quote from an Iranian madman arrested here who said in effect 'Americans are too easily sickened by real war. We only need to incinerate some babies and they will cry to their mothers.'

    This is why I have been so opposed to the self censorship of the media about Islam, cartoons etc., we have allowed them free access to horror, but save them the discomfort over fear of reprisals. The only way to get these guys is to make them totally uncomfortable with everything....and that means attacking Islam itself just as I would attack the Christian Church if such atrocities were carried out in it's name. Just as I rail at my own Baptist denomination for allowing the Westboro people to use the name. We must show them how ridiculous we see them, just as we showed Japan and Hitler what fools we could make of them. Charlie Chaplin did more to advance the cause with one movie more than all the efforts of the American Jewish community. If Islam is so tame in practice they will, as other faiths preach, forgive.

    Since 911, IMO, the west has been negligent in holding legitimate Islam to account. AL-Qaeda and ISIL get $ from somewhere, and it's flowing through the Islamic world, not Christians, Hindus, Sikhs or Buddhists. It's not the Russians or Chinese, it's Muslims. That has to be stopped either through co-operation or force, but it has to stop and if Muslims in America don't like it, take it up with terrorists. If they're really American, they will be eager to co-operate.
    Good post. I agree. From time to time I will go to liveleak and watch some videos from the region, many are propaganda and they are ugly indeed. Watching them removes all doubt about who these people are, and leaves me with the impression of what it will take to stop them.

    And that wont be sunshine and rainbows.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not a hidden enemy, they're not hiding, they're right out there in plain sight. The problem with this enemy is that there is no way to differentiate the fighters from the civilians because there are no civilians, everyone is a potential fighter and we don't have the stomach to go in there and blow up every single living human being, man, woman and child, down to the absolutely last one, because if we don't, they'll come back at us from the survivors. This war is different from every other war we have ever fought. We have the mindset that we have to protect the civilians and only kill the combatants and we need to keep giving them the opportunity to stop and sign a treaty. This isn't that war. There are no civilians and there will be no treaty, they must all be completely wiped out, down to the smallest infant and the very act of fighting this war is just going to make more people hate us and become more radicalized. This is a war that will have millions of casualties. That's nothing the American people are willing to deal with.
    Im reminded of an event in the 2nd Iraq war...American forces were taking heavy casualties when patrolling/entering hostile areas from insurgents and a military general asked his translator (who served in saddams army) if he knew any ways to cut down on attacks and the translator immediately answered that if they would just strap a child from the area to the front bumper of the first vehicle to enter the attacks would almost immediately stop. Also, leveling a village that gave a hint of resistance would have a similar effect.

    We never did that-we could have but didn't-and so we take the casualties even though there are ways to mitigate them (like fighting as arabs do). Im glad we take the high road but it just means we need to be even more resolute.

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