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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think we've pushed the region further down the path to eventual stability. It's just a bloody path to get there.

    An excellent read for those who argue that autocracy creates stability. It does. In the short term.
    I mean 14 years of things steadily getting worse doesn't really look like a realistic road to a more stable ME. Not when other battles around there have taken up an even greater number of decades.

    How many more decades is this bloody road we're on going to last?
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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean 14 years of things steadily getting worse doesn't really look like a realistic road to a more stable ME.
    If that was what we had seen, I think you would have a stronger argument.

    But it is not. What we saw was initial spikes in instability followed by a leveling out, followed by a dramatic spike once we left. COIN sucks, but it works.

    If you want to see what the "what happens when the US isn't trying to steer events" counterfactual looks like, check out modern Libya, Nigeria, or Syria. (and don't give me the "well we bombed a couple of trucks so no, that's our fault too" line. The idea that the US is able to create the chaos and loss to Islamist elements in those countries by bombing a few trucks or handing out a few weapons is unsupportable, and requires strong confirmation bias from those who want to believe in order to be accepted).


    How many more decades is this bloody road we're on going to last?
    Fewer if we push to make progress than if we do not. Like Pan-Arab nationalism, Islamist Fundamentalism is a generational thing and it's going to have to be smashed over a full first generation, with holdouts lasting into the next generation.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If that did happen, I am sure the ransom would be paid but we wouldn't know anything about it. It would be another one of those state secrets so the government could keep up the facade of not negotiating with terrorists.
    I appreciate that, but in this communications and technological age is it at all possible to keep silent the kidnapping of a member of the First Family? You don't think it would be plastered all over the internet by the kidnappers and be the lead story on media all over the world? And how would you get the kidnapped member back without the other side being able to show what they got in return?

    The negotiations for Bergdahl were silent too - at least I didn't hear anything about it until the exchange happened, but it was pretty public at that point.
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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean 14 years of things steadily getting worse doesn't really look like a realistic road to a more stable ME. Not when other battles around there have taken up an even greater number of decades.

    How many more decades is this bloody road we're on going to last?
    Forever. This started long before 9/11, and until you and I and everybody here is dead and rotting, these Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to never quit.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But they don't, so it's moot. Any other arguments that don't apply?
    No, it isn't a moot point. The reality is it is a threat that we SHOULD take seriously and actually do take seriously.

    When the public doesn't take it seriously eventually the government will reflect that.... and you get random dudes showing up in the East Wing, or dinner parties.
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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    And their boss has resigned and there have been some changes made.
    It hasn't stopped people from jumping the fence though. Nothing would ever have been done had it not become a media disaster.
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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate that, but in this communications and technological age is it at all possible to keep silent the kidnapping of a member of the First Family? You don't think it would be plastered all over the internet by the kidnappers and be the lead story on media all over the world? And how would you get the kidnapped member back without the other side being able to show what they got in return?

    The negotiations for Bergdahl were silent too - at least I didn't hear anything about it until the exchange happened, but it was pretty public at that point.
    You have a point, but why was it public? Somebody has to say something on our side for anybody to believe it. Who leaked the story of the exchange?

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

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    'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama and turn the U.S. into a 'Muslim province' in new execution video



    Islamic State militants have threatened to behead Barack Obama and turn the U.S. into a Muslim province in the latest gruesome video to emerge from their self-styled caliphate. The footage shows a black-clad jihadist standing over a Kurdish soldier who, in a sickening climax to the video, has his head cut off.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Yeah, and Ive heard intelligence analysts saying ISIS is being killed at the rate of 1000/month, but growing by 1500 a month. Do that math.

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    Re: 'We will cut off your head in the White House': ISIS threatens to behead Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Forever. This started long before 9/11, and until you and I and everybody here is dead and rotting, these Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to never quit.
    Forever wars are stupid and only encourage unacceptable growth in government power and spending. If you can't give me a solution, then you don't have a solution. And without a solution, I don't think throwing wave after wave of our own men at the problem is going to change anything.
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