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Michelle Obama forgoes a headscarf and sparks a backlash in Saudi Arabia

cpwill said:
In this case, it is unlikely to have any serious negative consequences.
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However, returning a bust and giving the queen an ipod will? :lol: Look, the hypocrisy here is the fact that apparently insulting some people is outrageous in some trivial situations and it isn't in others. The lack of conservative outrage is the point not the opposite. The fact that you missed that salient point in your diatribe is pretty incredible.
 
Hatuey said:
Oh, I know. I'm just reveling in the fact that few Conservatives are here complaining about the Obamas insulting our allies. It's not like... they do that or anything. :lol:
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Odd that you're not similarly reveling in the lack of outrage or criticism from the usually PC driven left-wingers.
 
X Factor said:
Odd that you're not similarly reveling in the lack of outrage or criticism from the usually PC driven left-wingers.
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Huh!?!? Did you read the first line in my first post?

Hatuey said:
Liberals: Good for her, standing up for her rights and ignoring multiculturalism!
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You're trying, it's not working.
 
cpwill said:
In this case, it is unlikely to have any serious negative consequences. Especially given that our relationship with Saudi Arabia is pretty much already at rock-bottom :lol:



Here's your problem. You assumed that conservatives were going to act in what you characterized as an unthinking, oppositional manner. Your assumption failed because you don't, actually, (apparently) understand conservatives. Since that failed, you are now desperately trying to spin it to some kind of hypocrisy charge where conservatives are wrong for saying that insulting an ally is wrong and then not getting upset because the First Lady didn't cover her hair. Again, you are demonstrating that you do not, actually, understand the people whose positions you are attempting to describe. This may be willful, which could be why you keep chopping out the parts of my posts that explain it to you in very simple language, or it could just be honest inability to comprehend something that's cognitively complex - I don't know. So I'll say it again (and you will probably ignore it again): Actions that insult or damage relations with our allies can have positive purpose, which doesn't mean that they will. In this case, it does.

Do you need me to translate that into a bar graph, or a sock puppet show, or something more basic and visual?
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Well and claims of hypocrisy are always a two way street, not that he could ever see clearly enough to think it possible on the left. :lol:
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Some women are not to be messed with.. What I like about this is how black African heritage peoples are seen in Arab countries and this one threw local custom back in their face.

reminded me of this story -



Too bad Michelle O wasn't given the opportunity to drive the motorcade but I'm certainly glad she didn't stand the prerequisite 10 feet behind her man
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Good for her, **** saudi Arabia and islamic customs.


Only thing better would be American presidents not "paying respect" to dead monarchs.
 
Well, it was only a matter of time before it started...

Michelle Obama Disrespects Saudi King in a Big Way // Mr. Conservative

Michelle Obama was caught giving some major attitude to the new Saudi king during her and her husband’s trip to pay their respects to him.
The president and first lady had to cut their visit to India short to meet with Saudi King Salman, and Michelle was clearly not happy about it. Multiple photos show our first lady with an expression of clear scorn, not hiding her feelings of wanting to get out of Saudi Arabia.
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Read the comments, they're a hoot. :)
 
X Factor said:
Well and claims of hypocrisy are always a two way street, not that he could ever see clearly enough to think it possible on the left. :lol:
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Someone is still trying too hard. Go take your routine somewhere else.
 
Hatuey said:
Liberals: Good for her, standing up for her rights and ignoring multiculturalism!
Conservatives: How can she insult our allies like this!? Damn it! We should respect Islam!
Libertarians: *after putting down the bongs* Wait... Arabia isn't just a country in Aladdin?
Moderate: Good grief, what the hell is she wearing? How are you going to get caught with the damn king of Saudi Arabia wearing Pottery Barn curtains? That's what is really important here.
Other: Well, what this really signifies is that Michelle Obama is having an existential epiphany related to the croissants she had that morning.
Liberals pretending to be Independents: Well I for one will take this as an opportunity to be heard on issues that I believe will make me seem less liberal.
Conservatives pretending to be Independents: Wait, wait! Look at this link that shows how much Syrian Muslims hate crepes!
Centrists: I have an opinion!
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Think you underestimated the libertarians, ;)
 
OrphanSlug said:
The spectacle people are willing to make of themselves with their comments never ceases to amaze me.
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It really is amazing, isn't it?
 
Hatuey said:
Liberals: Good for her, standing up for her rights and ignoring multiculturalism!
Conservatives: How can she insult our allies like this!? Damn it! We should respect Islam!
Libertarians: *after putting down the bongs* Wait... Arabia isn't just a country in Aladdin?
Moderate: Good grief, what the hell is she wearing? How are you going to get caught with the damn king of Saudi Arabia wearing Pottery Barn curtains? That's what is really important here.
Other: Well, what this really signifies is that Michelle Obama is having an existential epiphany related to the croissants she had that morning.
Liberals pretending to be Independents: Well I for one will take this as an opportunity to be heard on issues that I believe will make me seem less liberal.
Conservatives pretending to be Independents: Wait, wait! Look at this link that shows how much Syrian Muslims hate crepes!
Centrists: I have an opinion!
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Dude your conservative response is not even close. This is probably the only time I agree with MB, and this is the "first time in my life" I'm actually proud of her.
 
Hatuey said:
As a group? No. Individually? Sometimes they have a few consistently smart cookies. ;)
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Well I do admit you have too weed out the collectivist liberals and the religious conservatives claiming to be libertarian before you get to the real deal, then one more layer of pot smokers to find the intellectuals. ;)
 
CanadaJohn said:
Firstly, for whatever reason, I've never seen one of the Saudi Arabian queens even though King Abdullah had about a dozen. I'm pretty sure the Saudi royal queens don't travel.

That said, is there anything particularly offensive about a head scarf? I don't believe it was suggested the First Lady wear a burka or some other full body tarp.

The point I was making, and it's a pretty simple one to understand, if you're not entirely disingenuous in "paying your respects" and not solely intent on using the death of a foreign head of state to make a political statement, why go if you actually have so little respect for the hosts?

And to be clear, showing deference to your hosts is not obnoxious - the opposite is.
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You never actually answered the question I asked. Were they to visit the US, would we all be super offended that she didn't take off her head-covering and pretend to look just like us?

I'm not sure what kind of overly emotional world you live in, but someone not dressing like you is not an insult. In the US we don't treat our women like dogs or force them to wear attire they don't want to. Freedom - not for everyone.
 
Isn't "paying respect," going against Saudi culture anyways? Legitimate question, can't remember exactly what the rules were on all that in their religious belief. Just remember something about not mourning or maybe was not mourning for long? Dunno.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You never actually answered the question I asked. Were they to visit the US, would we all be super offended that she didn't take off her head-covering and pretend to look just like us?

I'm not sure what kind of overly emotional world you live in, but someone not dressing like you is not an insult. In the US we don't treat our women like dogs or force them to wear attire they don't want to. Freedom - not for everyone.
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Sorry to confuse you but I'm Canadian, not a Saudi. My world is irrelevant. The OP is discussing "paying respects" in Saudi Arabia. I have no idea if the Saudi royal family felt offended by the First Lady's attire or if the people of Saudi Arabia were offended. My point was, as you and others seem to be promoting, if your intent is to offend or to make a political statement, it would be wiser just to stay home. There are other times and better circumstances under which to make your point.

As for your analogy, it isn't one. I'm not aware of any or many in America who are offended by women's attire. If they are, they are free to express that concern in appropriate ways and forums. Doing so while "paying respects" seems more like disrespect to me, but then I've never been one to purposely offend for no reason. If I didn't smoke and I was invited to a person's home where smokers lived, I wouldn't go wearing an anti-smoking t-shirt. I'd either accept the invitation graciously and excuse myself politely if need be, or I'd decline the invitation. You see, it's not for me to tell other people how to live. I have no objection to the First Lady wearing what she likes but if, as seems apparent, she's had no problem with the headscarf in other situations, her not wearing one here seems designed to offend or to make a political statement, both of which are inappropriate under the circumstances.
 
humbolt said:
Yes, it will blow over. Paying respect is great, but not if it involves kissing asses. I'm not a fan of MO, but in this case I certainly am. Good for her.
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Agreed, and it is also OK for those who shook hands with BO to ignore MO. Everybody wins.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Well I do admit you have too weed out the collectivist liberals and the religious conservatives claiming to be libertarian before you get to the real deal, then one more layer of pot smokers to find the intellectuals. ;)
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This was on purpose. I know it was.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Some women are not to be messed with.. What I like about this is how black African heritage peoples are seen in Arab countries and this one threw local custom back in their face.

reminded me of this story -



Too bad Michelle O wasn't given the opportunity to drive the motorcade but I'm certainly glad she didn't stand the prerequisite 10 feet behind her man
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Out of curiosity, were you proud of "black African heritage peoples" back in 2007 during the meeting where this pic was taken?

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Good grief. I'd swear that some of you people never saw a black person before Obama came along.
 
Way to go FLOTUS,the Obama's broke a whole lots of Americans hearts.The Obama are NOT Arab's or Muslim's! Now those that cry POTUS is a Muslim,this is for the stupid people.:eek:uch::waiting:
 
Lutherf said:
Out of curiosity, were you proud of "black African heritage peoples" back in 2007 during the meeting where this pic was taken?

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Good grief. I'd swear that some of you people never saw a black person before Obama came along.
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You know man, I really like your posts! They are consistently good!!!!
 
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