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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I live just north of you. I am a registered Republican. At least for the foreseeable future, I have ZERO chance of seeing issues I believe in passing the state legislature. My candidate of choice will likely NEVER get elected to the state legislature or to the US congress. Is that fair?

    I believe it is.
    My congressman is Darrell Issa. I didn't vote for him. Ever. Is that fair?

    I believe it is.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    My congressman is Darrell Issa. I didn't vote for him. Ever. Is that fair?

    I believe it is.
    So why the concern over billionaires?

    The SEIU has ripped off the taxpayers in California after buying Democrat legislators in Sacramento. Do you have a problem with those millions spent to buy favors, or is it just the billionaires you envy who you object to?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So why the concern over billionaires?

    The SEIU has ripped off the taxpayers in California after buying Democrat legislators in Sacramento. Do you have a problem with those millions spent to buy favors, or is it just the billionaires you envy who you object to?
    I'm advocating reducing spending and financial influence on elections as a means of reducing corruption and the duopoly of ideas.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm advocating reducing spending and financial influence on elections as a means of reducing corruption and the duopoly of ideas.
    Right. But what the SEIU does is not an issue. Either your all in, or you're not in at all.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Right. But what the SEIU does is not an issue. Either your all in, or you're not in at all.
    I am increasingly shifting towards favoring government funded elections.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I am increasingly shifting towards favoring government funded elections.
    But how do you get the rest of the money corruption out of elected office. When scandal was uncovered in the In Home Support Services program in California, and SEIU union members were shown to be committing fraud, my local Assembly Member introduced a bill calling for an investigation. Her bill was sponsored by the SEIU. Needless to say, it didn't go anywhere, while the SEIU collected tens of millions per year in dues paid for by taxpayers.

    Elections are one thing. How about the rest, or does that not matter to you?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    But how do you get the rest of the money corruption out of elected office. When scandal was uncovered in the In Home Support Services program in California, and SEIU union members were shown to be committing fraud, my local Assembly Member introduced a bill calling for an investigation. Her bill was sponsored by the SEIU. Needless to say, it didn't go anywhere, while the SEIU collected tens of millions per year in dues paid for by taxpayers.

    Elections are one thing. How about the rest, or does that not matter to you?
    The naive idealist in me likes to think that if we can reduce the focus on fundraising from politicians we can reduce influence and corruption throughout their terms. If that's not achieved greater reform can always be enacted.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm advocating reducing spending and financial influence on elections as a means of reducing corruption and the duopoly of ideas.
    If you are serious perhaps you should consider a drive to reduce the massive amounts of legal plunder that is now built into the federal level. Until the plunder is reduced nothing else matters. We are up to about four trillion dollars in plunder every year. If this continues we are doomed.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    There are ~600 billionaires in a country of 300 million.

    By those odds, I have a roughly 1/500,000 of working my way up to reaching billionaire status. Those are ridiculously long odds just to reach the billion dollars necessary to reach 1/36th of either of the Koch brothers respective $36 billion dollars.

    That's unrealistic that I should have to outearn 299.999 million other people just to have the ability to keep equal speaking power with an elite segment of the population. That's not protecting free speech, that's protecting a plutocracy.
    As I said, you have the same right to try. Thats what equality is.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm advocating reducing spending and financial influence on elections as a means of reducing corruption and the duopoly of ideas.
    You would make more headway if you simply stopped voting for corrupt politicians. Go spend a billion to convince others to do the same.

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