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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I didn't say that, but I certainly believe a billion dollars will be more influential than any pocket change I can apply to the discussion.
    If you had a billion dollars why would you care who was in office? Why do you care what someone else makes or spends? How does that affect you and your family?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are the only one that believes you have to have a billion to have any influence.
    How much do you think it costs to purchase a congressman?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If you had a billion dollars why would you care who was in office? Why do you care what someone else makes or spends? How does that affect you and your family?
    I have considerably less than a billion dollars and don't care about getting more. Apparently my sense of moderation isn't universal. Apparently controlling billions isn't enough for some.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How much do you think it costs to purchase a congressman?
    Buying a Congressman seems to make little sense since Congressmen cannot filibuster but I never worried about it

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I agree - baseless assertions backed by nothing isn't a discussion.

    I do find it odd that conservatives' view of property rights is that someone can move in next door to you, and by burning hazardous waste poison your family, kill your cattle, potentially make your house and land uninhabitable by polluting the air you breath, and conclude that you have to look for a state law outlawing that act for relief. And if that law banning that specific act does not exist, the landowner can do nothing.

    It's an incredible claim - the neighbor can make your land uninhabitable without violating your property rights so long as they "only" poison the air you breath.

    No wonder the polluters love the GOP so much. Their view of property rights grants business a license to pollute at will.
    It is clear to me that you do not understand the difference between a right and a law. I do not believe you ever will.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is clear to me that you do not understand the difference between a right and a law. I do not believe you ever will.
    It's fascinating that I can't get you guys to explain yourselves. I'm not a child so "Because I said so" doesn't actually work....

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's fascinating that I can't get you guys to explain yourselves. I'm not a child so "Because I said so" doesn't actually work....
    It is still clear to me that you do not understand the difference, and never will.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I have no access to a billion dollars. I don't have that right.

    I shouldn't have to become a billionaire to have an equal voice in society.
    You have the same right to earn a billion dollars as anyone else. Equal rights under the law means govt wont treat you different soley based on your wealth or lack of. You have one vote, so does a rich guy. You can run for office, so can a rich guy. You can petition govt, so can a rich guy.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You have the same right to earn a billion dollars as anyone else. Equal rights under the law means govt wont treat you different soley based on your wealth or lack of. You have one vote, so does a rich guy. You can run for office, so can a rich guy. You can petition govt, so can a rich guy.
    There are ~600 billionaires in a country of 300 million.

    By those odds, I have a roughly 1/500,000 of working my way up to reaching billionaire status. Those are ridiculously long odds just to reach the billion dollars necessary to reach 1/36th of either of the Koch brothers respective $36 billion dollars.

    That's unrealistic that I should have to outearn 299.999 million other people just to have the ability to keep equal speaking power with an elite segment of the population. That's not protecting free speech, that's protecting a plutocracy.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    There are ~600 billionaires in a country of 300 million.

    By those odds, I have a roughly 1/500,000 of working my way up to reaching billionaire status. Those are ridiculously long odds just to reach the billion dollars necessary to reach 1/36th of either of the Koch brothers respective $36 billion dollars.

    That's unrealistic that I should have to outearn 299.999 million other people just to have the ability to keep equal speaking power with an elite segment of the population. That's not protecting free speech, that's protecting a plutocracy.
    I live just north of you. I am a registered Republican. At least for the foreseeable future, I have ZERO chance of seeing issues I believe in passing the state legislature. My candidate of choice will likely NEVER get elected to the state legislature or to the US congress. Is that fair?

    I believe it is.

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