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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    US should be upgraded to No 1 spot in the corruption index.
    Its a mafia land. The irony is that this is the only way we will ever get a third party in the land that is supposedly for the peopel by the people, only the richest people can develop a third party. The only benefit will be if this paves the way for other thrid parties, like this is a sort of kicking in the door that allows maybe the green party to get into office later.

    We vote for the leaders but not for their policies. I have never really voted on a policy personally. Occasionally we get asked to approve a state level grant or push through a refferendum that is barely acknowledged by the government, but i rarely see any other national refferendums where the people vote, like should we vote whether or not to leave war in asia? Why cant we vote on this stuff?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Complains OP is singling out the Kochs and GOP and says its dishonest.

    Singles out Soros and the Dems and says they are 10x worse.

    Then says you can't say anything about either side.

    Nice.
    Considering we have not improved anything since Obama took office, I would say my point is valid. Kochs also back both parties, they don't look at party affiliation, they look at the person's ideals and support those.

    Soros's favorite politician is Hilary Clinton, whats that tell you?

    Until you take the money out of politics, you can't complain. Which I'm not. We are passed the point of recovery, now we wait for the crash and rebuild. I could safely bet that most politicians are on some sort of take. Politicians for the most part do what gets them more money and/or power, so political affiliation doesn't matter when you have both teams pillaging whatever they can, then when leaving office, go work for lobbying firms. What can go wrong there?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I do not have as much opportunity to influence an election as a billionaire. I don't have as much ability to own Disneyland as Walt Disney did. I don't have as much ability to be the first person to walk on the moon as Neil Armstrong. "Rights" and "opportunities" are vastly different words and in no way synonymous.
    Then your conviction is weak, and your imagination non existent...That puts you in the category of whiny bitch.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by michijo View Post
    Its a mafia land. The irony is that this is the only way we will ever get a third party in the land that is supposedly for the peopel by the people, only the richest people can develop a third party. The only benefit will be if this paves the way for other thrid parties, like this is a sort of kicking in the door that allows maybe the green party to get into office later.

    We vote for the leaders but not for their policies. I have never really voted on a policy personally. Occasionally we get asked to approve a state level grant or push through a refferendum that is barely acknowledged by the government, but i rarely see any other national refferendums where the people vote, like should we vote whether or not to leave war in asia? Why cant we vote on this stuff?
    People are too outspoken there and you are swayed to vote for the outspoken Sarah Palin quality even though she spews out loads of garbage.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    People are too outspoken there and you are swayed to vote for the outspoken Sarah Palin quality even though she spews out loads of garbage.
    "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Of course I own the air that I breath as a normal part of enjoying my property rights. And so, if you poison that air, I can sue you for damages and I will win.



    Well, you're wrong, but I don't see any point in continuing the debate. All you guys can or will do is just double down on baseless, unreasoned assertions unsupportable by any theory of property rights ever enunciated.
    You do not own the air. Nice try. I agree there is no point in further discussion.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The purpose of government is to promote equal opportunity. Giving one citizen many times the access to influence and speech isn't equal opportunity for competition of ideas.
    Govt doesnt give people money to spend on speaking. A poor person has the same right to spend as much money as they want on promoting ideas as a rich person. That IS equal opportunity.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    Considering we have not improved anything since Obama took office, I would say my point is valid. Kochs also back both parties, they don't look at party affiliation, they look at the person's ideals and support those.

    Soros's favorite politician is Hilary Clinton, whats that tell you?


    Until you take the money out of politics, you can't complain. Which I'm not. We are passed the point of recovery, now we wait for the crash and rebuild. I could safely bet that most politicians are on some sort of take. Politicians for the most part do what gets them more money and/or power, so political affiliation doesn't matter when you have both teams pillaging whatever they can, then when leaving office, go work for lobbying firms. What can go wrong there?
    Until we take the legal plunder out of politics we are pissing into the wind.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    People are too outspoken there and you are swayed to vote for the outspoken Sarah Palin quality even though she spews out loads of garbage.
    Stop buying the rhetoric and pay attention to the resume, resumes don't lie, people do

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You do not own the air. Nice try. I agree there is no point in further discussion.
    I agree - baseless assertions backed by nothing isn't a discussion.

    I do find it odd that conservatives' view of property rights is that someone can move in next door to you, and by burning hazardous waste poison your family, kill your cattle, potentially make your house and land uninhabitable by polluting the air you breath, and conclude that you have to look for a state law outlawing that act for relief. And if that law banning that specific act does not exist, the landowner can do nothing.

    It's an incredible claim - the neighbor can make your land uninhabitable without violating your property rights so long as they "only" poison the air you breath.

    No wonder the polluters love the GOP so much. Their view of property rights grants business a license to pollute at will.

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