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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Yet people then whine about the results they get or double down on their stupidity by defending the indefensible.
    LOL......oh the Irony is strong with this one today......too funny...
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's nice for you to keep repeating the same thing over and over and pretending that you're making anything resembling a persuasive point, but you're not.

    If our property rights don't extend to the air we breathe, then why aren't you allowed to set up shop in the lot next to me and burn hazardous materials? On what basis can I sue you? IMO the landowner has property rights extending to the air he breathes and if you infringe on that right, he can sue for damages or to prevent you from infringing on his property rights to enjoy the use of his property without being poisoned by YOUR acts.

    Alternatively, my neighbor can do as he wishes on his property, and there is nothing but a law that can prevent him from inflicting harm on me by poisoning the air I breath, killing my dogs, or cattle. If I want the burning to stop, I have to pay HIM.
    You have failed to make a case for a right. You have a remedy in the law. Nice try though.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    So Gruber was right. Was it money or Obama rhetoric that elected this incompetent?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, please!

    Money determines the outcome of political races. The slack jawed yokels watch the slick advertising campaigns that it buys and vote accordingly, and you know it. It doesn't matter whether the money is from Soros or Koch, it still buys elections and therefore favorable treatment in the halls of Congress.

    And it does no good to say, "but if people weren't so stupid, if only they wouldn't pay attention to the ads." That's like saying, "but if only people used common sense." They don't, and that's a fact of life Further, whining that "liberals do it too," while true, does nothing to address the real issue, which is the influence of money on politics.

    And, until that issue is addressed, purchasing political influence will still be a good investment.
    The solution is to reduce the amounts of legal plunder. Eliminate the politicians' ability to plunder and money in politics will not matter one bit.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So Gruber was right. Was it money or Obama rhetoric that elected this incompetent?

    Both.

    Oh, and McCain and Palin helped, too.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You have failed to make a case for a right. You have a remedy in the law. Nice try though.
    I'm not sure what your notion of property rights might consist of then. Your position is that absent a law specifically banning the burning of hazardous materials that I have no recourse? It's absurd. Of course I can sue you for damages with or without a law prohibiting "pollution" of the type that you're engaged in. I have a right for the air I breath not to be poisoned by your acts - what is the origin of that right if not a property right?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure what your notion of property rights might consist of then. Your position is that absent a law specifically banning the burning of hazardous materials that I have no recourse? It's absurd. Of course I can sue you for damages with or without a law prohibiting "pollution" of the type that you're engaged in. I have a right for the air I breath not to be poisoned by your acts - what is the origin of that right if not a property right?
    Do you own the air?

    You do not have a right. You have a law.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you own the air?
    Of course I own the air that I breath as a normal part of enjoying my property rights. And so, if you poison that air, I can sue you for damages and I will win.

    You do not have a right. You have a law.
    Well, you're wrong, but I don't see any point in continuing the debate. All you guys can or will do is just double down on baseless, unreasoned assertions unsupportable by any theory of property rights ever enunciated.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    In 2016 i am keeping my self respect and NOT voting in these fraudulent elections.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    US should be upgraded to No 1 spot in the corruption index.

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