Page 94 of 100 FirstFirst ... 44849293949596 ... LastLast
Results 931 to 940 of 999

Thread: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

  1. #931
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,264

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I don't see there being a particular distinction between influencing the voters and influencing the politicians. Both produce the same result and both are qualities of plutocracies. Both should be avoided.

    We both buy the rhetoric, the only difference is the source of our respective rhetoric.
    The world of the politician matters more than the influence being peddled by outside sources. Obama lied and sold the American people a white board in which the public could make him whatever they wanted. They ignored the resume and are getting exactly what they deserve. The problem is those who didn't vote for Obama are getting something they really didn't deserve. Obama won on rhetoric and his competence is being seen now.

  2. #932
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,264

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    ....and my point is advertising obviously works. People buy into sound bites all the time.
    Yet people then whine about the results they get or double down on their stupidity by defending the indefensible.

  3. #933
    Undisclosed
    Unrepresented's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    San Diego
    Last Seen
    06-12-16 @ 09:05 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,230

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The world of the politician matters more than the influence being peddled by outside sources. Obama lied and sold the American people a white board in which the public could make him whatever they wanted. They ignored the resume and are getting exactly what they deserve. The problem is those who didn't vote for Obama are getting something they really didn't deserve. Obama won on rhetoric and his competence is being seen now.
    Oh good, I was hoping this would get partisan and we could quote talking points rather than discuss financial influence in politics.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

  4. #934
    Sage
    rabbitcaebannog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    12-09-17 @ 08:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,918

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet people then whine about the results they get or double down on their stupidity by defending the indefensible.
    Yeah, there's a lot of whining going on.

  5. #935
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,264

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Oh good, I was hoping this would get partisan and we could quote talking points rather than discuss financial influence in politics.
    Nothing partisan about a thread that focuses on Koch Brothers and ignores Soros and other Democrat support groups.

  6. #936
    Undisclosed
    Unrepresented's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    San Diego
    Last Seen
    06-12-16 @ 09:05 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,230

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nothing partisan about a thread that focuses on Koch Brothers and ignores Soros and other Democrat support groups.
    Please show me where I've been arguing "please stop only rich conservatives from influencing elections."
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

  7. #937
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,264

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Please show me where I've been arguing "please stop only rich conservatives from influencing elections."
    I haven't seen you condemn Democrat groups and if I missed it, I apologize. The issue here continues to be what freedoms do
    you support if not a persons ability to spend whatever they want to try and influence a particular vote. You have yet to prove that those efforts are successful

  8. #938
    Progressive Libertarian
    Abbazorkzog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    The Anglosphere
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:29 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    9,149
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Whether it is a Bush dynasty or a Clinton dynasty, it does not matter who ends up in power, We The People will not be represented in the way that we were meant to be.
    "It's a big club, and you ain't in it! The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged. It's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it..." - George Carlin

  9. #939
    Sage
    Dittohead not!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    The Golden State
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    41,540

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I haven't seen you condemn Democrat groups and if I missed it, I apologize. The issue here continues to be what freedoms do
    you support if not a persons ability to spend whatever they want to try and influence a particular vote. You have yet to prove that those efforts are successful
    Oh, please!

    Money determines the outcome of political races. The slack jawed yokels watch the slick advertising campaigns that it buys and vote accordingly, and you know it. It doesn't matter whether the money is from Soros or Koch, it still buys elections and therefore favorable treatment in the halls of Congress.

    And it does no good to say, "but if people weren't so stupid, if only they wouldn't pay attention to the ads." That's like saying, "but if only people used common sense." They don't, and that's a fact of life Further, whining that "liberals do it too," while true, does nothing to address the real issue, which is the influence of money on politics.

    And, until that issue is addressed, purchasing political influence will still be a good investment.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

  10. #940
    Undisclosed
    Unrepresented's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    San Diego
    Last Seen
    06-12-16 @ 09:05 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,230

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I haven't seen you condemn Democrat groups and if I missed it, I apologize. The issue here continues to be what freedoms do
    you support if not a persons ability to spend whatever they want to try and influence a particular vote. You have yet to prove that those efforts are successful
    I have been advocating for a reduction in financial influence on politics, that would presume less spending by both major political parties and political groups.

    I support speech, I don't necessarily support the viewpoint that money is speech.

    If we can accept that advertising is successful, we can easily extrapolate that advertising for political positions or candidates would be successful.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

Page 94 of 100 FirstFirst ... 44849293949596 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •