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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    No its not. Its like saying govt cant make a law which says only able bodied people can walk up that flight of stairs. The purpose of govt is not to ensure equal outcome, that everyone reaches the top of the stairs. Its to ensure you are free to try.
    The purpose of government is to promote equal opportunity. Giving one citizen many times the access to influence and speech isn't equal opportunity for competition of ideas.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The purpose of government is to promote equal opportunity. Giving one citizen many times the access to influence and speech isn't equal opportunity for competition of ideas.
    Yes, 'Equal Opportunity' NOT 'Equal Outcome'
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, 'Equal Opportunity' NOT 'Equal Outcome'
    Tell me about my "equal" opportunity at speaking compared to Koch's billion dollars worth of speaking power. We both know that neither the opportunity nor the outcome are truly equal.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Tell me about my "equal" opportunity at speaking compared to Koch's billion dollars worth of speaking power. We both know that neither the opportunity nor the outcome are truly equal.
    So call the Koch Brothers and ask them to send you some of their money. What outcome do you think the Koch Brothers are getting from their investment? How many Koch Brother sponsored candidates actually won elections? was Obama supported by the Koch Brothers? How about your Representative?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    So call the Koch Brothers and ask them to send you some of their money. What outcome do you think the Koch Brothers are getting from their investment? How many Koch Brother sponsored candidates actually won elections? was Obama supported by the Koch Brothers? How about your Representative?
    Call me cynical, but most people spending a billion dollars on "pro business," "less regulation," "lower tax" candidates expects to see some long term return on their investments.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Call me cynical, but most people spending a billion dollars on "pro business," "less regulation," "lower tax" candidates expects to see some long term return on their investments.
    Still waiting for an answer to the question, did the Koch Brother back Obama and your Representative? Don't recall how spending ones own money was deemed illegal. Your concern should be on the person who had their vote bought not an individual exercising their right to spend their money where they see fit.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Tell me about my "equal" opportunity at speaking compared to Koch's billion dollars worth of speaking power. We both know that neither the opportunity nor the outcome are truly equal.
    You have every bit as much opportunity to influence things as much as they do. Maybe in different ways, maybe not. If you feel that money is your hold back, then I would say to you that is a limitation you place on yourself.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Call me cynical, but most people spending a billion dollars on "pro business," "less regulation," "lower tax" candidates expects to see some long term return on their investments.
    The purchase of a congressman or two can pay big dividends, that's true. Investing nearly 900 B in the political market, rather than the stock market, is risky, but can pay off handsomely.


    Call it venture capital.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Still waiting for an answer to the question, did the Koch Brother back Obama and your Representative? Don't recall how spending ones own money was deemed illegal. Your concern should be on the person who had their vote bought not an individual exercising their right to spend their money where they see fit.
    I'm sure Issa has had support from the Kochs. Obama likely not.

    Spending your money is illegal in many regards. It's illegal to buy slaves, it's illegal to buy a jury, it's illegal to buy rhinoceros horns. Buying elections should be in that same category.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You have every bit as much opportunity to influence things as much as they do. Maybe in different ways, maybe not. If you feel that money is your hold back, then I would say to you that is a limitation you place on yourself.
    I do not have as much opportunity to influence an election as a billionaire. I don't have as much ability to own Disneyland as Walt Disney did. I don't have as much ability to be the first person to walk on the moon as Neil Armstrong. "Rights" and "opportunities" are vastly different words and in no way synonymous.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm sure Issa has had support from the Kochs. Obama likely not.

    Spending your money is illegal in many regards. It's illegal to buy slaves, it's illegal to buy a jury, it's illegal to buy rhinoceros horns. Buying elections should be in that same category.



    I do not have as much opportunity to influence an election as a billionaire. I don't have as much ability to own Disneyland as Walt Disney did. I don't have as much ability to be the first person to walk on the moon as Neil Armstrong. "Rights" and "opportunities" are vastly different words and in no way synonymous.
    You have yet to prove that any election was bought by the Koch Brothers or anyone else. Are you this outraged over Soros and if so why don't you start a Soros thread?

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