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Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

JANFU said:
And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
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How are they "outside groups"?
 
tres borrachos said:
And they are sometimes swayed by one candidate's message, and sometimes by another. What's wrong with that? Are you saying that they shouldn't vote because they're "uninformed" and "gullible"?
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People should not be swayed by political adverts because they offer too little information, often misrepresent the facts and appeal to emotions. People who are not sufficiently informed about the issues shouldn't vote, but I wouldn't support a law to stop them from voting.
 
disneydude said:
Choosing a President is a little more important than choosing peanut butter. We are already influenced by China and other countries over the products we purchased. Do you want to allow them to buy our Presidency as well?
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NOOO! They gave us Clinton and Obama!!!
 
mac said:
How are they "outside groups"?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...mn-region%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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Hundreds of conservative donors recruited by the Kochs gathered over the weekend for three days of issue seminars, strategy sessions and mingling with rising elected officials. These donors represent the largest concentration of political money outside the party establishment, one that has achieved enormous power in Republican circles in recent years
 
JANFU said:
And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
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That it is free expression of opinion?
 
JANFU said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...mn-region%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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Hundreds of conservative donors recruited by the Kochs gathered over the weekend for three days of issue seminars, strategy sessions and mingling with rising elected officials. These donors represent the largest concentration of political money outside the party establishment, one that has achieved enormous power in Republican circles in recent years
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I see, so outside the "party establishment". Who is the party establishment?
 
Hard Truth said:
People should not be swayed by political adverts because they offer too little information, often misrepresent the facts and appeal to emotions. People who are not sufficiently informed about the issues shouldn't vote, but I wouldn't support a law to stop them from voting.
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Exactly. I refuse to watch them...for either side.
 
JANFU said:
And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
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I applaud their political engagement and provision of the resources needed to enable free, unrationed political speech.
 
imagep said:
My issue with that would be the fact that we have a system which allows so much money to be accumulated in the hands of the few, extracted off the hard work of the many.
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Is money a finite thing?
 
mac said:
I see, so outside the "party establishment". Who is the party establishment?
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When you have Senate races that run over 50 Million- of course big donors have access.
Same with Presidential elections- big donors have access.
What about the underlined part are you missing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...mn-region%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.

These donors represent the largest concentration of political money outside the party establishment, one that has achieved enormous power in Republican circles in recent years.
 
Jack Hays said:
I applaud their political engagement and provision of the resources needed to enable free, unrationed political speech.
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And an agenda free one at that.
 
Threegoofs said:
Maybe it's because you don't read the NYT.

George Soros News - The New York Times

You should. You might learn something.
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I learned plenty... Like nearly all of those stories project praise upon Soros for his charity work or business savy... I also learned that very few of those stories are in the "News" or "Political News" section of the paper, but found mostly in the business section. Another thing I learned was that most of them were not written during the Bush Administration either.

So which one of those stories during the Bush years said Soros was dumping millions to help "coordinated outside groups to shape a presidential election", which is what he was doing?

Which article during that time said that Soros was trying to "influence legislation and campaigns across the country", which is also what he was doing?

I also can't find any that reveal Soros was dumping his millions into "nonprofit groups that are not required to reveal donors", which of course makes it "almost impossible to tell how much of the money is provided by" Mr. Soros?


If you still need me to spell it out for you, I will... What I'm asking is "Where are the Soros hit pieces written by the NY Times during his hay-day as king of the political sugar daddies while Bush was in office?"
 
americanwoman said:
Maybe it's just me but there is a difference, between 100 million and 900 million, no?

I think both amounts are excessive but one seems to be a hell of a lot more. Does it bother you when Soros donates but not Koch brothers?
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What bothers me is how the main stream media is more than eager to paint the Koch brothers as evil conservatives trying to buy an election, while all the years that Soros invested millions to unseat George Bush and buy his progressive agenda a seat at the table in Washington, was for the most part ignored.

When it comes to politics, I don't care if the media does hard hitting investigative stories, negative profile stories or spends their time doing puff pieces... All I want, and have ever wanted was for the main stream news media to be consistant and treat both sides of the political spectrum the same, instead of reporting with the BS liberal bias that they have for the last several decades.

Is that really such an outrageous request?
 
Geoist said:
Yeah, why oppose domestic campaign spending that would ultimately put politicians in office who will proceed to send more jobs overseas? ;)
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And as a matter of principle, what is wrong with supporting those running for office who support policies you support? Doesn't pretty much everyone want to elect those who have the same ideas/ideals that they do? And what is wrong with speaking over the media, around the media, getting your message directly to the voters? If politicians on the right and those who support them left it to the media to get their message across, conservative politicians would be at a distinct disadvantage.

As for sending jobs overseas, it's likely the policies of those the Koch brothers oppose that are shipping jobs overseas - more conservatives, friendlier to business, would keep jobs at home.
 
Grim17 said:
What bothers me is how the main stream media is more than eager to paint the Koch brothers as evil conservatives trying to buy an election, while all the years that Soros invested millions to unseat George Bush and buy his progressive agenda a seat at the table in Washington, was for the most part ignored.

When it comes to politics, I don't care if the media does hard hitting investigative stories, negative profile stories or spends their time doing puff pieces... All I want, and have ever wanted was for the main stream news media to be consistant and treat both sides of the political spectrum the same, instead of reporting with the BS liberal bias that they have for the last several decades.

Is that really such an outrageous request?
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For all the good his money did, Soros saw George Bush reelected by defeating Kerry. Nuff said!
 
JANFU said:
And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
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Let's see....

They are conservatives.

They support conservative candidates.

I can understand how that would be a problem for you.

BTW, have you ever looked at how much $ Barrack Obama has raised on the same Wall Street he bailed out?

I do believe it is legal to support a candidate of one's choice, all the Kochs mean to you is that Hillary will have to promise more to her money people....
 
JANFU said:
And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
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What did the Democrats spend?
 
Grim17 said:
I learned plenty... Like nearly all of those stories project praise upon Soros for his charity work or business savy... I also learned that very few of those stories are in the "News" or "Political News" section of the paper, but found mostly in the business section. Another thing I learned was that most of them were not written during the Bush Administration either.

So which one of those stories during the Bush years said Soros was dumping millions to help "coordinated outside groups to shape a presidential election", which is what he was doing?

Which article during that time said that Soros was trying to "influence legislation and campaigns across the country", which is also what he was doing?

I also can't find any that reveal Soros was dumping his millions into "nonprofit groups that are not required to reveal donors", which of course makes it "almost impossible to tell how much of the money is provided by" Mr. Soros?


If you still need me to spell it out for you, I will... What I'm asking is "Where are the Soros hit pieces written by the NY Times during his hay-day as king of the political sugar daddies while Bush was in office?"
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One reason for many of those things is that most of that was illegal during the Bush years.

Thanks SCOTUS. :(
 
JANFU said:
When you have Senate races that run over 50 Million- of course big donors have access.
Same with Presidential elections- big donors have access.
What about the underlined part are you missing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...mn-region%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.

These donors represent the largest concentration of political money outside the party establishment, one that has achieved enormous power in Republican circles in recent years.
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What part of "who is the party establishment" don't you understand?
 
Threegoofs said:
One reason for many of those things is that most of that was illegal during the Bush years.

Thanks SCOTUS. :(
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So, thanks for admitting he was breaking the law in doing such....Nothing the Koch's are doing is illegal....So, if anything Soros should be prosecuted right?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Let's see....

They are conservatives.

They support conservative candidates.


I can understand how that would be a problem for you.

BTW, have you ever looked at how much $ Barrack Obama has raised on the same Wall Street he bailed out?

I do believe it is legal to support a candidate of one's choice, all the Kochs mean to you is that Hillary will have to promise more to her money people....
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I look at it all. Not just one party.
 
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