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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    "Do you believe that the rich ought to pay of a percentage of their wealth to fund government programs intended to transfer wealth to government workers and "the poor"? If so you just might be a Marxist.
    Do you believe that some should rule over the many because the many must be led (the dictatorship of the protes)?
    If so you just might be a Marxist.

    Do you believe that the productive steal from the poor?
    If so you just might be a Marxist.

    Do you believe that capitalism must be weakened or even destroyed for equality's sake?
    If so you just might be a Marxist.

    Do you believe that the government must dominate and control everything for the sake of fairness?
    If so you just might be a neo-Marxist."
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    I see someone is a fan of bad comedy.
    And I see someone who just might be a Marxist.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm not going to throw out a dollar amount, but in general, if we're to accept that "all men are created equal," then there shouldn't be men who have millions of times more influence than others, at least without being vetted by the election process, which includes checks and balances.
    Why not?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    but it is a bit of a stretch to say that Romney bowed out because of the Koch brothers. Why would he have had a part of that campaign chest for his own run?

    Personally, I was surprised that he even considered running after having promised his wife he would not put her through another campaign.

    Now, the Koch brothers are astute capitalists. Were they not, they wouldn't be sitting on a fortune with the capability of spending nearly a billion dollars to get their way politically. Astute capitalists, the ones who are able to amass huge fortunes, aren't going to spend all that money without a good chance for a return on investment. If that's not buying political influence, I don't know what is.

    It's way past time for meaningful campaign finance reform. Let the billionaires invest elsewhere besides purchasing elections.
    What does meaningful campaign finance reform mean to you? What does Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech mean to you?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Buying politicians occurs both directly and indirectly.

    You can either bribe a weak willed established politician or simply buy public opinion which forces either like-minded laws or politicians into office.

    Both are symptoms of a plutocracy.
    So you would deny an individuals right to spend their money the way they see fit vs. solving the problem by getting rid of politicians that are bought? Interesting. So when you stop people from spending on things you don't agree with what is next?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I understand incentives.

    Incentives come in a variety of forms. They also don't have to be winner takes all form to be effective.

    My incentive is to increase equality because I like being equal, and I like those around me to be more equal.
    Feel free to be as equal as you like.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What does meaningful campaign finance reform mean to you? What does Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech mean to you?
    Money is not speech, money is, well, money. Being able to purchase a louder voice than anyone else is not freedom of speech, nor is being able to legally bribe politicians to get what you want. None of that is what the founders intended.

    There should be strict limits on how much money any politician can take and can spend to be elected.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You do have more speech if you're rich. The article describes how a few people will be spending a billion dollars next year speaking. I, nor most people, don't have that much speech.
    Use the speech you have.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Winner take all? So tell me how a rich person prevented you from becoming rich? Apparently you think the pie is frozen in size, is that correct? You are limited by your own ability and effort from getting into the same class as those evil rich people you want to punish. Only you are stopping yourself
    At least he is effective at it.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I have no pathology that drives me to exploit people sufficiently to become "rich."

    I would prefer not to be exploited by people with such pathologies.
    Or, alternatively, those who opt out of providing goods and services people want and are willing to buy lack the talent to do so. It is convenient to describe success as a pathology. You are not failing. You just don't want to be sick.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Wealth is like obesity; you get fat from eating too much, you get rich from exploiting too much. They're both compulsive disorders.

    You can work hard, take risks, and develop skills without exploiting people. Many of us do it, a few have an untreated addiction that we as a society should help free them from.
    I am impressed at how easily you drink the Marxist bath water.

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