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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    It's no coincidence that Romney made his announcement just days after the Koch brothers revealed they are buying the White House in 2016. He doesn't have that kind of money. Several homes and an elevator for his car in La Jolla, yes. That kind of money, no.
    The rot on both side is deep. Senate races costing 50 - 70 million- Pres races now could surpass a billion.
    They all get paid back in one way or another- and neither Party competently desalinates labor- or big bussiness.
    Meanwhile the poor and middle class, what is left pay.
    The Republicans and some Dems are preparing to weaken the Dodd Frank regs passed after Wall Street corruption lead to this recession and world wide impact.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Then you buy the Kochs narrative since they have the most money.

    That's interesting. You don't sound like a koch-head.
    It's only been a handful of years since Citizens United, give me another week before it overruns the narratives I've already been indoctrinated with.
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    That is your opinion and obviously you are sure upset over what someone else does with their money. Waiting for how that affects you?
    No one spends a billion dollars on an election without expectation of some recompense. Myself and people like me well pay that recompense.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    It's only been a handful of years since Citizens United, give me another week before it overruns the narratives I've already been indoctrinated with.

    No one spends a billion dollars on an election without expectation of some recompense. Myself and people like me well pay that recompense.
    You mean like Senators paying millions for a 174,000 a year salary? Still waiting for how some rich person spending their own money hurt you and preventing you from becoming rich? Again you are levying charges against the wrong source, you should be more angry at the politician who votes on the legislation and had their vote bought.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's pertinent. If the money "BUYS" you a candidate, then the Kochs, outspending everyone, then every candidate backed by the Koch brothers should win and they don't. The fact that republicans make more gains in some years than others is only something you can attribute to "Koch brothers influence" if you ignore everything else that affects elections.
    You're intentionally missing the point. You obviously can't say the large donors don't have orders of magnitude more influence on who gets nominated, who wins elections and then the details of legislation flowing (or not flowing) out of state and federal legislatures. As you said, asserting that someone spending $500 million over a couple of cycles had no effect on those things would be "stupid." So you're correctly pointing out that some big donors don't always get what they want as if that contradicts any point I've made - it doesn't.

    That's not a strawman. That just blows a gaping hole in your theory that campaign donations "buy" either politicians or votes. One man one vote is still the law of the land.
    Yeah, OK, I understand grade school civics, and everyone else in reality knows that's a small part of the story. If that's all you understand about how a democracy actually functions, you're ignorant of what is important about how people get elected and how legislation gets passed.

    I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to respond to this any more. There's lots of debate and lots of emotions and lots of "gut feelings" but zero evidence that campaign contributions buy votes or political candidates. Are you going to vote for the people that the Koch brothers are supporting? I doubt it. Why can't the Koch brothers buy your vote?
    And there is also no evidence that the $billions spent each cycle is wasted, has no effect on votes or who wins elections or what those that win do in office, or that legislators get to their jobs and vote their consciences, unmoved by the influence of money. No one older than grade school believes that, and I think you're a grown adult. So I'm not sure what game you're trying to play except to support unlimited spending in elections without wanting to admit what that brings with it.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The rot on both side is deep. Senate races costing 50 - 70 million- Pres races now could surpass a billion.
    They all get paid back in one way or another- and neither Party competently desalinates labor- or big bussiness.
    Meanwhile the poor and middle class, what is left pay.
    The Republicans and some Dems are preparing to weaken the Dodd Frank regs passed after Wall Street corruption lead to this recession and world wide impact.
    How many are in Jail.
    Dodd
    I agree. But the Kochs are far right wing Republicans who throw their support to the Tea Party candidates. That's what this thread is about. Their money and influence. And they want to drag God into the mix along with taking away women's rights and putting gays back in the closet. But they will make sure illegal immigrants stay here and work because they are all for paying millions of people $3 an hour under the table.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by PureVanilla View Post
    I agree. But the Kochs are far right wing Republicans who throw their support to the Tea Party candidates. That's what this thread is about. Their money and influence.
    How many TP got elected in the last election? I do not know, reason I ask.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    You mean like Senators paying millions for a 174,000 a year salary? Still waiting for how some rich person spending their own money hurt you and preventing you from becoming rich? Again you are levying charges against the wrong source, you should be more angry at the politician who votes on the legislation and had their vote bought.
    If you're still waiting, you haven't been reading the multiple responses I've made to it.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    If you're still waiting, you haven't been reading the multiple responses I've made to it.
    All I see is you demonizing wealth and people spending their own money the way they want. That is freedom and the only harm is you believing they are the problem rather than the politicians whose votes can be bought.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    All I see is you demonizing wealth and people spending their own money the way they want. That is freedom and the only harm is you believing they are the problem rather than the politicians whose votes can be bought.
    Buying politicians occurs both directly and indirectly.

    You can either bribe a weak willed established politician or simply buy public opinion which forces either like-minded laws or politicians into office.

    Both are symptoms of a plutocracy.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by PureVanilla View Post
    I agree. But the Kochs are far right wing Republicans who throw their support to the Tea Party candidates. That's what this thread is about. Their money and influence. And they want to drag God into the mix along with taking away women's rights and putting gays back in the closet. But they will make sure illegal immigrants stay here and work because they are all for paying millions of people $3 an hour under the table.
    That should get their 900 million back pretty quickly, with interest.
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