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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Actually the wealthiest only buy those politicians you allow them to buy and do so with your vote. You think Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Boxer, and other liberal politicians haven't been bought? Is it only Republican politicians that you have a problem with? You vote, you campaign, you change people's minds. You aren't going to do it here on a message board
    You can't be serious. Our vote means nothing now since the passage of Citizens United. It's all about money.
    Question: There are approximately 45,000,000 people in America living in poverty. Who are their lobbyists? Do they have digs on K Street along with the insurance and bank lobbyists on the right?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Right, TARP was a LOAN and most of it has been repaid. the total was about 500 billion not 750 billion, and the 7.7 trillion isn't cash, it is assets most of which were purchased by Freddie and Fannie on demands from the Federal Govt. It is a bubble that is going to burst
    Who owns Freddie and Fannie?

    "The federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac refers to the placing into conservatorship of government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by the U.S. Treasury in September 2008. It was one of the financial events among many in the ongoing subprime mortgage crisis."""

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by PureVanilla View Post
    You can't be serious. Our vote means nothing now since the passage of Citizens United. It's all about money.
    Question: There are approximately 45,000,000 people in America living in poverty. Who are their lobbyists? Do they have digs on K Street along with the insurance and bank lobbyists on the right?
    So what has your politician, local representative done about it? 45 million Americans live in poverty? there are 312 plus million Americans so what percentage is that and what is the poverty amount in this country vs those other countries you seem to believe are better off? Tell me which lobbyists actually voted on bills to keep people in poverty? How much of the Federal Budget is spent on social issues including poverty? how much was spent on the War on Poverty and what did we get for it? Don't you think you should find out before spouting this kind of rhetoric?

    I am sure you care but the way to solve the problem is to now whine about it, get active, get involved locally and stop looking to the Federal Govt. to solve social problems that by your posts show you don't even understand.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Who owns Freddie and Fannie?

    "The federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac refers to the placing into conservatorship of government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by the U.S. Treasury in September 2008. It was one of the financial events among many in the ongoing subprime mortgage crisis."""

    Federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Yep, and that is where the trillions in almost worthless assets reside. Who controlled the Congress that allowed that to happen? You think Bush was king? What did Obama do in 2009 regarding that problem? You don't seem to get it, the Federal Govt. has hidden the problem from the American people to continue to buy votes. Why don't you ask your liberal friends where the 4.0 TRILLION dollar budget Obama wants is going to go? You think throwing money at the problem changes human behavior?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    You think Gates, Zuckerberg, Jobs exploited people or did they make billions while making others millionaires? Why is it that exploitation is always a liberal talking point. What you are telling me is you don't want to work hard, take risk, develop skills that make you marketable to compete in a private sector economy so like most Californians you don't have a problem taking from those who do and give that to you?
    Wealth is like obesity; you get fat from eating too much, you get rich from exploiting too much. They're both compulsive disorders.

    You can work hard, take risks, and develop skills without exploiting people. Many of us do it, a few have an untreated addiction that we as a society should help free them from.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Wealth is like obesity; you get fat from eating too much, you get rich from exploiting too much. They're both compulsive disorders.

    You can work hard, take risks, and develop skills without exploiting people. Many of us do it, a few have an untreated addiction that we as a society should help free them from.
    Yes, that is true, so tell me how any rich person prevented you from becoming rich? This so called addiction on your part is someone spending 900 million of their own money to buy influence or to buy votes, buy votes from whom? How much money would it take to buy your vote? Do you vote on legislation in Congress? Do the Koch Brothers? Stop treating what you perceive is a problem of people spending their own money and focus on the real problem politicians having their votes bought. Support term limits and clean house.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Yes, that is true, so tell me how any rich person prevented you from becoming rich? This so called addiction on your part is someone spending 900 million of their own money to buy influence or to buy votes, buy votes from whom? How much money would it take to buy your vote? Do you vote on legislation in Congress? Do the Koch Brothers? Stop treating what you perceive is a problem of people spending their own money and focus on the real problem politicians having their votes bought. Support term limits and clean house.
    Again, I don't wish to be "rich," any more than I wish to be morbidly obese. Both are compulsive disorders.

    My votes are sold to people who sell convincing narratives. The more money you have the more you can sell a narrative.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Again, I don't wish to be "rich," any more than I wish to be morbidly obese. Both are compulsive disorders.

    My votes are sold to people who sell convincing narratives. The more money you have the more you can sell a narrative.
    Then you buy the Kochs narrative since they have the most money.

    That's interesting. You don't sound like a koch-head.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Again, I don't wish to be "rich," any more than I wish to be morbidly obese. Both are compulsive disorders.

    My votes are sold to people who sell convincing narratives. The more money you have the more you can sell a narrative.
    That is your opinion and obviously you are sure upset over what someone else does with their money. Waiting for how that affects you?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by PureVanilla View Post
    Romney is too liberal for the Kochs. He would never see any of those funds, maybe token taxi money.
    The Kochs are going to invest that money in Tea Party/far right evangelical candidates, as they did in the mid-terms. And if successful, they will be running America with the sock puppet of their choice in the White House.
    If they do that, then I was wrong about how they're astute capitalists. They're throwing their money down the gutter where storm water will wash it out to sea, or at least they may as well do that. The far right Tea Party candidates will not win the general election. If they succeed in getting one nominated, then we're in for four years of Hillary Clinton.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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