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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Excuse me? What part of the Koch's $400M to win back the House did you miss? Go to the link and look at the network.

    And poor Jonathan Gruber seems to have more crow feathers to pick out his mouth than he can manage.
    Didn't sway the millions who voted for Obama, did it so how did that affect you? Seems you want to deny someone else's freedom to spend their money on what they wanted to spend it on. You ought to be happy, 400 million was wasted but someone benefited from that spending, those in the advertising business as well as consultants or aren't those acceptable jobs for you?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by PureVanilla View Post
    That's easy. Ask that same question of people who were marketed heavily in the early '00s to buy a home only for it to go underwater or be foreclosed in 2008. Countrywide would give a mortgage to anyone with a pulse. Does the term NINJA loan conjure up any memories for you? Show me where the Wall Street bankers have been hurt in that deal. Hank Paulson (Secty of the Treasury under Bush, in case you forgot that, too) gave them $750,000,000,000 to ease their pain.
    So tell me, when those homes were foreclosed where were the Democrats who controlled Congress? Did Democrats benefit from people buying homes they couldn't afford? Did you forget Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who chaired the oversight committees or when they weren't in charge telling the public there was nothing wrong with Freddie and Fannie?

    So you believe 750 billion was spent on TARP. Please post proof of that, not what was authorized but rather how much was spent and did Obama spend any of it? Was TARP a loan or an expense? Don't you think you should find out? If it was a loan wouldn't repayment be expected? Did that happen?

    Please show me where Obama who has been in the WH since January 2009 did anything other than recycle money?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Seems like the only ones truly swayed by money and advertising are liberals. Liberal groups like Soros couldn't spend enough to get me to vote for a Democrat today, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Hillary so apparently that money wouldn't be well spent on my. Take that money to the liberal base and Gruber nailed it
    The people who are most swayed by political advertising are the uninformed, gullible centrists. Neither liberals or conservatives change their positions very much. The uninformed, gullible centrists are the ones who routinely change which party they vote for and their positions on issues. and they are most vulnerable to believing misleading information and emotional appeals.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Winner take all? So tell me how a rich person prevented you from becoming rich? Apparently you think the pie is frozen in size, is that correct? You are limited by your own ability and effort from getting into the same class as those evil rich people you want to punish. Only you are stopping yourself
    I have no pathology that drives me to exploit people sufficiently to become "rich."

    I would prefer not to be exploited by people with such pathologies.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Didn't sway the millions who voted for Obama, did it so how did that affect you? Seems you want to deny someone else's freedom to spend their money on what they wanted to spend it on. You ought to be happy, 400 million was wasted but someone benefited from that spending, those in the advertising business as well as consultants or aren't those acceptable jobs for you?
    I am in the advertising business actually. And I've even created a few political campaign pieces.
    Seems you're content to have the wealthiest Americans buy and own our government. And you're conservative?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    So tell me, when those homes were foreclosed where were the Democrats who controlled Congress? Did Democrats benefit from people buying homes they couldn't afford? Did you forget Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who chaired the oversight committees or when they weren't in charge telling the public there was nothing wrong with Freddie and Fannie?

    So you believe 750 billion was spent on TARP. Please post proof of that, not what was authorized but rather how much was spent and did Obama spend any of it? Was TARP a loan or an expense? Don't you think you should find out? If it was a loan wouldn't repayment be expected? Did that happen?

    Please show me where Obama who has been in the WH since January 2009 did anything other than recycle money?
    I believe that far more than $750B has gone to the banks since 2008, actually.

    $7.77 Trillion

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    "".....The amount of money the central bank parceled out was surprising even to Gary H. Stern, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis from 1985 to 2009, who says he “wasn’t aware of the magnitude.” It dwarfed the Treasury Department’s better-known $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Add up guarantees and lending limits, and the Fed had committed $7.77 trillion as of March 2009 to rescuing the financial system, more than half the value of everything produced in the U.S. that year.
    “TARP at least had some strings attached,” says Brad Miller, a North Carolina Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, referring to the program’s executive-pay ceiling. “With the Fed programs, there was nothing.”
    Bankers didn’t disclose the extent of their borrowing. On Nov. 26, 2008, then-Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Officer Kenneth D. Lewis wrote to shareholders that he headed “one of the strongest and most stable major banks in the world.” He didn’t say that his Charlotte, North Carolina-based firm owed the central bank $86 billion that day.

    Secret Fed Loans Gave Banks $13 Billion Undisclosed to Congress - Bloomberg Business
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    I have no pathology that drives me to exploit people sufficiently to become "rich."

    I would prefer not to be exploited by people with such pathologies.
    Politicians and CEOs are notorious for being sociopaths. Not to be confused with psychopaths who are violent. But they tend to be extreme narcissists at the least.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I have no pathology that drives me to exploit people sufficiently to become "rich."

    I would prefer not to be exploited by people with such pathologies.
    You think Gates, Zuckerberg, Jobs exploited people or did they make billions while making others millionaires? Why is it that exploitation is always a liberal talking point. What you are telling me is you don't want to work hard, take risk, develop skills that make you marketable to compete in a private sector economy so like most Californians you don't have a problem taking from those who do and give that to you?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by PureVanilla View Post
    I am in the advertising business actually. And I've even created a few political campaign pieces.
    Seems you're content to have the wealthiest Americans buy and own our government. And you're conservative?
    Actually the wealthiest only buy those politicians you allow them to buy and do so with your vote. You think Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Boxer, and other liberal politicians haven't been bought? Is it only Republican politicians that you have a problem with? You vote, you campaign, you change people's minds. You aren't going to do it here on a message board

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by PureVanilla View Post
    I believe that far more than $750B has gone to the banks since 2008, actually.

    $7.77 Trillion

    Excerpt:
    "".....The amount of money the central bank parceled out was surprising even to Gary H. Stern, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis from 1985 to 2009, who says he “wasn’t aware of the magnitude.” It dwarfed the Treasury Department’s better-known $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Add up guarantees and lending limits, and the Fed had committed $7.77 trillion as of March 2009 to rescuing the financial system, more than half the value of everything produced in the U.S. that year.
    “TARP at least had some strings attached,” says Brad Miller, a North Carolina Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, referring to the program’s executive-pay ceiling. “With the Fed programs, there was nothing.”
    Bankers didn’t disclose the extent of their borrowing. On Nov. 26, 2008, then-Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Officer Kenneth D. Lewis wrote to shareholders that he headed “one of the strongest and most stable major banks in the world.” He didn’t say that his Charlotte, North Carolina-based firm owed the central bank $86 billion that day.

    Secret Fed Loans Gave Banks $13 Billion Undisclosed to Congress - Bloomberg Business
    Right, TARP was a LOAN and most of it has been repaid. the total was about 500 billion not 750 billion, and the 7.7 trillion isn't cash, it is assets most of which were purchased by Freddie and Fannie on demands from the Federal Govt. It is a bubble that is going to burst

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