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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    All you are doing is showing you fail to understand.

    No such right exists, not in the Constitution and no such right has been recognized by the Courts. Nor could it.
    Do you really not understand that?
    OK, we're just engaged in an exercise of splitting hairs - what the definition of 'is' is debate. The bottom line is our property rights extend to the air we breathe, and for lots of practical reasons, that right is not absolute. Same as the rest of our rights - exceptions and infringements are allowed by law for all kinds of reasons.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Answer the question. What makes unrepresented a Marxist? Am I one? And why aren't Bill and Melinda Gates, Matt Damon, or George Soros Marxist?

    It's your hole - you dug it via hackery.
    I didn't say you were one. I said the stench of class envy, however, makes it quite easy to identify Marxists and the stupid remark about million dollar weddings being offensive points directly to Marxist philosophy. If someone wants to spend a million dollars on a wedding, it wouldn't be anyone else's business... unless you are a Marxist and think all money should belong to "the people".

    Now why don't you take your silly little dishonest strawman arguments and go play with someone else for awhile?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    All you are doing is showing you fail to understand.



    This is the original argument and reply.

    The argument is; We all have a right to breathe unpolluted air.
    That simply isn't true,

    No such right exists, not in the Constitution and no such right has been recognized by the Courts. Nor could it.
    Do you really not understand that?

    Again.
    No such "right" exists.

    Again.
    You are speaking to law. Not a "right".

    Again.
    No such "right" to unpolluted air exists, nor could it as all air is naturally polluted to some extent.






    No such right exists.
    No such right has even been recognized by the courts. Nor could it.

    Again.
    No such "right" to unpolluted air exists, nor could it as all air is naturally polluted to some extent.

    You have failed refute that which is reality.






    You still have failed to refute the point that no such right exists.

    Again.
    No such "right" exists.

    Again.
    You are speaking to law. Not a "right".

    Again.
    No such "right" to unpolluted air exists, nor could it as all air is naturally polluted to some extent.
    If nonsense is repeated often enough......





    .....it's still nonsense.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Oh, well, heaven forbid we make a comment on something said here unless what was said includes some of the words in the subject of the thread, huh? It's like, gee, I can't remark on that remark because that remark isn't one you want me commenting on. You're funny.
    You can remark, it's just dishonest to suggest the entirety of the argument is class envy when you're focusing on one line (that's not particularly class envy IMO).
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You seem very concerned about the power you believe exists with a very few vs. the power that exists with those in Congress that run a 4 trillion dollar budget. Your outrage is misguided. Unchecked power, you mean like a President changing law through executive order? You mean career politicians who enact entitlement programs to buy votes?
    Authoritarian government being bad doesn't mean that excessive wealth, and the excessive influence it buys, isn't bad as well.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You can remark, it's just dishonest to suggest the entirety of the argument is class envy when you're focusing on one line (that's not particularly class envy IMO).
    Anytime someone complains about what someone else makes, spends, or pays in taxes, I consider that first none of anyone else's business AND class envy. Why do you care and how does that affect you? You live in the most bankrupt state in the nation but rather than handle your own problems you focus on class warfare at the national level. Why is that? The entitlement mentality in California is a disease, please don't promote that nationwide.

    Californians have moved to TX and are trying to change this state into the one they left. How did that work out during the last election?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Authoritarian government being bad doesn't mean that excessive wealth, and the excessive influence it buys, isn't bad as well.
    You consider buying influence worse than the people who allowed their vote to be bought and that to me is a problem with your thought process.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You consider buying influence worse than the people who allowed their vote to be bought and that to me is a problem with your thought process.
    But if the money influences outcomes, it's a predictable outcome that those who agree to be bought will tend to 1) run for office (doing the bidding of the big money is a condition of receiving the money) and 2) get elected, because they have the backing of the big money that demands favors.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Anytime someone complains about what someone else makes, spends, or pays in taxes, I consider that first none of anyone else's business AND class envy. Why do you care and how does that affect you? You live in the most bankrupt state in the nation but rather than handle your own problems you focus on class warfare at the national level. Why is that? The entitlement mentality in California is a disease, please don't promote that nationwide.

    Californians have moved to TX and are trying to change this state into the one they left. How did that work out during the last election?
    We are all tied together. The actions of anyone impact everyone.

    It's my business when I'm being impacted by wealth buying votes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You consider buying influence worse than the people who allowed their vote to be bought and that to me is a problem with your thought process.
    False dichotomy. Both the corrupted and the corruptors are bad.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You can remark, it's just dishonest to suggest the entirety of the argument is class envy when you're focusing on one line (that's not particularly class envy IMO).
    I focused on the one line that was the "tell".

    If I had actually suggested the "entirety of your argument was class envy", you'd have a legitimate gripe but since I didn't, all you have is another strawman. I made it very clear what I was referring to. Your bitching about "million dollar weddings" being..... how did you say it.... "offensive"? That nailed you down as someone eaten up with good old fashioned class envy.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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