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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I think you're missing that clean air is just another property right, and if rights to property exist, then so do rights to clean air. The only issue is defining where that right begins and ends.

    You certainly can't set up shop next to my house and start burning items that produce poisonous gases. When you do that, you're infringing on the property rights of everyone downwind of you. But in most places you can burn wood in your fireplace....
    You are speaking to law. Not a "right".

    Again.
    No such "right" exists.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are speaking to law. Not a "right".

    Again.
    No such "right" exists.
    There is no right to private property? Interesting.....

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There is no right to private property? Interesting.....
    I see you fail to follow as has been said.
    Figures.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I see you fail to follow as has been said.
    Figures.
    No, what I "follow" is that you're misstating the whole premise of property rights and how the air we breathe is a part of them.

    If I have no "right" to breath clean air, you have an alternative right to pollute the air all you want. Of course that's not true, so the role of society is to balance our individual right to clean air (property) against the societal gains enjoyed when we allow some (changing) levels of air pollution.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, what I "follow" is that you're misstating the whole premise of property rights and how the air we breathe is a part of them.

    If I have no "right" to breath clean air, you have an alternative right to pollute the air all you want. Of course that's not true, so the role of society is to balance our individual right to clean air (property) against the societal gains enjoyed when we allow some (changing) levels of air pollution.
    Wrong.

    Again.
    You are speaking to law. Not a "right".

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    No such "right" exists.

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    No such "right" to unpolluted air exists, nor could it as all air is naturally polluted to some extent.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

    Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us...=top-news&_r=0

    The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

    The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
    I have no problem with this. Maybe it will help in getting one libertarian elected to congress.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I have no problem with this. Maybe it will help in getting one libertarian elected to congress.
    And if we get ONE Libertarian elected to Congress what committee would that person serve on and what significant change could that person make being one out of 435?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong.

    Again.
    You are speaking to law. Not a "right".

    Again.
    No such "right" exists.

    Again.
    No such "right" to unpolluted air exists, nor could it as all air is naturally polluted to some extent.
    I have read your arguments, and they consist of you saying something over and over as if that's proving a point.

    Explain why property rights do NOT include the air we breath. If I have no right to clean air, do you have a right to pollute as you wish? If not, why not?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    You go right on ahead. No such right exists.
    ....among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...

    "among these" means that these don't constitute a definitive list.

    Where does anyone get the right to take clean air away from the rest of us?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    ....among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...

    "among these" means that these don't constitute a definitive list.

    Where does anyone get the right to take clean air away from the rest of us?
    Please explain to me why we have a State EPA AND a Federal EPA? You think the state EPA wants dirty air to breath? Doubt that any Federal Bureaucrat in D.C. is breathing any dirty air from your state.

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