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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    It is funny how the Kochs are always mentioned when it comes to political donations, yet they aren't at the top of the list for private donors. What about all of the other major players in the political money landscape? Soros, Steyer, Bloomberg, etc....? Wasn't Soros in the spotlight recently because one or some of the groups he funds was stirring up trouble in Ferguson?

    You are trying to start a "bash the Kochs" thread and it is quite dishonest. Both teams are fairly even when it comes to money they spend on campaigns, yet libs tend to want to bash the Kochs when Soros and Bloomberg are 10x more destructive and divisive.

    Until we take money out of politics, you can't say squat about either team's donors. Both teams have the same rules correct? I don't see the problem? The only problem is the ill-informed and under-educated American public gets duped every election cycle by a sycophant that does the opposite of their platform that got them elected (ie: Obama).
    1. The point is that no one should have that much political power.

    2. The Kochs stand out for their use of their excessive political power for selfish causes that create harm for the public (for example , they seek to eliminate environmental laws regulating the industries that they own that protect public health)

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Until very recently, union membership, or at least payment of dues, was not voluntary. It would still be that way if unions had their way. The unions in turn could spend that money in any manner they wished. And they have. Look at the spending on political campaigns by AFSCME. Or the SEIU.
    and it's still illegal to use dues money for political purposes. Unions have to ask for voluntary donations to PACs for campaigns.

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    It is true that federal law and some state laws prohibit unions from using dues dollars to make contributions to political campaigns. That's why unions have political action committees (PAC). Contributions to PACs are voluntary. You may have trouble convincing some union members just how "voluntary" they are but that's another story. For information on union PAC contributions click here.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, I am pointing out there is quite a bit of difference between what a state does and what the Federal Govt. does which defines states' rights. What a state does is up to the people of the state. It seems you want a federal bureaucrat to dictate what your state does or doesn't do. You have a choice of living in a particular state or moving. Hard to do when you are talking about the entire country. A one size fits all program sounds good until you look at the Federal Record and the disaster that record is. I prefer states implementing programs closer to the people, the question is why don't you?
    I expressed no opinion as to whether particular programs should be funded at the local, state or federal level. You don't know my position on that issue. Why are you making assumptions?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and it's still illegal to use dues money for political purposes. Unions have to ask for voluntary donations to PACs for campaigns.

    From an anti union blog:
    We've been down this road of discussion. I've not time nor stomach to do so again. It's well known the vast majority of union workers toe the company line.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There are legal limits on the amount of dangerous pollution that cars and factories can emit. Even home fireplaces are banned in some areas.
    Still playing silly huh? Figures.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You mean, things like, oh, I dunno... maybe regulating health insurance?
    Yep, isn't that what MA did? Why again do we need Obamacare? Why do we need Federal raise in the minimum wage? Can't states do both?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    We've been down this road of discussion. I've not time nor stomach to do so again. It's well known the vast majority of union workers toe the company line.
    The company line?

    It seems to me that it would be the non union workers who would toe the company line.

    Point is, ten thousand union members kicking in a hundred bucks each is voluntary, just like one oligarch kicking in ten million. It's the same thing, and both of them expect a return on that investment (and usually get it).
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I expressed no opinion as to whether particular programs should be funded at the local, state or federal level. You don't know my position on that issue. Why are you making assumptions?
    Why? because it seemed to me that you were trying to justify Obamacare being a Federal Program and pointing to what you seemed to feel were issues showing the public supporting what you called socialized programs. You didn't seem to understand the difference between a Federal Program and state programs as well as funding. I am not against states choosing to do what MA did so tell me again why we need ACA when the states can do the same thing as MA did?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, isn't that what MA did? Why again do we need Obamacare? Why do we need Federal raise in the minimum wage? Can't states do both?
    Yes, that's what MA did. Do we need Obamacare? No, probably not. As you said, the states can take it on. Federal minimum wage? States could take that on, too, and have. Regulation of health insurance? States already took that on, yet the Republicans seem to want the feds to take it over. To me that seems a bit inconsistent.

    Or, consistent..... with doublethink that is.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The fact that Obama and Romney each spent one billion dollars on the last POTUS election astonished me, but it proves my point. The days of average citizens donating $20 to the campaign of a candidate they liked are gone. Oh, they may still do so, but why bother - it's not going to matter, and that's wrong all around. We seem to have become ancient Rome reincarnated, and the "barbarians" at the gate this time are the ME terrorists who would like to see Western countries destroyed - and Rome did fall. Will history repeat itself? I sincerely hope not!
    That's why none of this gets solved. One year the Democrats get a lot more money than the Republicans, and the next year the Republicans get a lot more money than the Democrats. Neither side wants to shut down business because they know it could spell a bad year for their party. Shameful.
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