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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It is not true that union members have no say in campaign donations. Unions are democratic organizations that represent 14.6 millions workers in America. Union members vote to elect their officers, can run for office and attend meetings.
    Until very recently, union membership, or at least payment of dues, was not voluntary. It would still be that way if unions had their way. The unions in turn could spend that money in any manner they wished. And they have. Look at the spending on political campaigns by AFSCME. Or the SEIU.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    It is funny how the Kochs are always mentioned when it comes to political donations, yet they aren't at the top of the list for private donors. What about all of the other major players in the political money landscape? Soros, Steyer, Bloomberg, etc....? Wasn't Soros in the spotlight recently because one or some of the groups he funds was stirring up trouble in Ferguson?

    You are trying to start a "bash the Kochs" thread and it is quite dishonest. Both teams are fairly even when it comes to money they spend on campaigns, yet libs tend to want to bash the Kochs when Soros and Bloomberg are 10x more destructive and divisive.

    Until we take money out of politics, you can't say squat about either team's donors. Both teams have the same rules correct? I don't see the problem? The only problem is the ill-informed and under-educated American public gets duped every election cycle by a sycophant that does the opposite of their platform that got them elected (ie: Obama).
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Fell right into that trap!

    "Job Creators": Luntz Strikes Again | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

    As to the rest, y'all's manufactured memes are starting to collide.

    First there was no income inequality. Then it was all the increases in productivity were from investments in technology, but non-ownership-class people have nothing to fear from automation. Then, in the face of this, ya try to ram this "job creator" nonsense down our throats, when they've been doing the exact opposite of "job creation for almost forty years now (and no, exploiting a desperate person's desperation overseas isn't "job creation" either. Its "job reduction" because they took a job that paid "x" and turned into a job that pays a tiny fraction of "x".
    LOL.

    The only trap that has been sprung is the one you tripped yourself. I really don't understand the Progressives fixation with Luntz. What does this obsession prove?

    Perhaps it would be more beneficial to discover why jobs are so precious today, rather than follow the rest of the lemmings and lap up the "rich are evil" memes Progressives are required to eat daily.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    It is funny how the Kochs are always mentioned when it comes to political donations, yet they aren't at the top of the list for private donors. What about all of the other major players in the political money landscape? Soros, Steyer, Bloomberg, etc....? Wasn't Soros in the spotlight recently because one or some of the groups he funds was stirring up trouble in Ferguson?

    You are trying to start a "bash the Kochs" thread and it is quite dishonest. . . . .
    Explaining dishonesty to a dishonest person rarely bares any fruit.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    It is funny how the Kochs are always mentioned when it comes to political donations, yet they aren't at the top of the list for private donors. What about all of the other major players in the political money landscape? Soros, Steyer, Bloomberg, etc....? Wasn't Soros in the spotlight recently because one or some of the groups he funds was stirring up trouble in Ferguson?

    You are trying to start a "bash the Kochs" thread and it is quite dishonest. Both teams are fairly even when it comes to money they spend on campaigns, yet libs tend to want to bash the Kochs when Soros and Bloomberg are 10x more destructive and divisive.

    Until we take money out of politics, you can't say squat about either team's donors. Both teams have the same rules correct? I don't see the problem? The only problem is the ill-informed and under-educated American public gets duped every election cycle by a sycophant that does the opposite of their platform that got them elected (ie: Obama).
    Complains OP is singling out the Kochs and GOP and says its dishonest.

    Singles out Soros and the Dems and says they are 10x worse.

    Then says you can't say anything about either side.

    Nice.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    In 2012, there were 435 elections for the House of Representatives. The candidate who had and spent more money won 95% of those elections. The electoral college is a completely different matter and I don't strongly agree or disagree with your opinions regarding that institution.

    But referring to the Supreme Court allowing businesses to spend as much money as they want during an election cycle as "leveling the playing field" is a joke. I mean it literally sounds like you're joking. I don't see how anybody could argue anything other than they made the playing field the least level it has ever been. Less than 1% of Americans contribute about 70% of the money for elections. How is that even a little bit level?

    Look at for-profit education. There are colleges like the University of Phoenix who charge a huge amount of money for classes that are basically useless. They have huge enrollment levels because of their advertising, which both is a cause and result of the enormous amount of money they make. These for-profit colleges are complete garbage and when it comes right down to it, they are scams. But yet we have elected officials who are stonewalling any attempt to regulate the for-profit education field because they rely on for-profit colleges to donate huge amounts of money to their campaigns. I call that bribery. I call that lunacy. What is good for Americans is being ignored because corporate enterprise has purchased lawmakers. So, I guess I'd ask you who you think we're leveling the playing field for? Certainly not the American people.
    When I referred to "leveling the playing field," I was being serious. Perhaps I'm not seeing things correctly, and that is very possible, but we never heard of The Koch Brothers, as an example, until fairly recently. I think the Supreme Court attempted to make it more fair by allowing businesses and banks to also fund campaigns. Unions have been donating to the Democrats for a long time, and they didn't make a secret of it, and of course there is Soros and people like him who are billionaires, but they are unusual because they are neither union nor big business, just extremely wealthy people who are pro one-world-government, which is a third faction interfering in things.

    As usual, the pendulum swung too far in the wrong direction, and what we have now is lots of money being funneled to both parties and this certainly leaves the average guy on the street out in the cold. I suppose all the big donors want their interests represented in government, and the fact that congress has again changed the rules to allow them to spend even more shows us they like big money involved in the electoral process. Greed rules!

    The fact that Obama and Romney each spent one billion dollars on the last POTUS election astonished me, but it proves my point. The days of average citizens donating $20 to the campaign of a candidate they liked are gone. Oh, they may still do so, but why bother - it's not going to matter, and that's wrong all around. We seem to have become ancient Rome reincarnated, and the "barbarians" at the gate this time are the ME terrorists who would like to see Western countries destroyed - and Rome did fall. Will history repeat itself? I sincerely hope not!

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Please cite me the portions of the constitution that proclaim we need to derive societal "moral" norms from the Bible.
    In fact, cite me the constitution saying anything about the Bible.
    I didn't claim that.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Have you read Citizens United and understand corporate personhood? The law says corporations can donate directly to political campaigns. Corporations are people.
    No way! I never heard that before. Wow, if I didn't come to DP years after SCOTUS makes a ruling, I would never know what they're up to.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    When I referred to "leveling the playing field," I was being serious. The fact that Obama and Romney each spent one billion dollars on the last POTUS election astonished me, but it proves my point. The days of average citizens donating $20 to the campaign of a candidate they liked are gone. Oh, they may still do so, but why bother - it's not going to matter, and that's wrong all around. !
    Except as I showed earlier, the bulk of Obamas donations came from individuals who gave less than $200. Think about the impact of that, and how that may shape Obamas stance on issues. I can only hope that phenomenon continues in 2016..
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Complains OP is singling out the Kochs and GOP and says its dishonest.

    Singles out Soros and the Dems and says they are 10x worse.

    Then says you can't say anything about either side.

    Nice.
    Right, there are probably tons of articles I could easily find right now in seconds about other high profile donors to any party. This one happened to be about the Koch bros because they are now putting an unprecedented amount into the field, which explains why someone would take the time to write an article about it. So we are trying to discuss this new development and yes some of us are bashing it because we think big money should stay out of campaigning. So even if some of the conservatives here don't really like it either instead of bashing them too they have to pull out exactly what you just outlined.
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