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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Mustachio.

    All the various donors don't bother me, but I remember when the Democrats yelled foul after the Supreme Court leveled the playing field by allowing businesses, as well as unions, to also contribute monies to an election effort, and they are now accepting money from them, from the very top on down. Obama stated he would stop the practice, but it's still in place and both sides take advantage of it. Do they influence how a person votes by using advertising to sway a voter's opinion one way or another, which is really the most important thing? Maybe not, as Soros learned in the midterms after giving millions to Democrat candidates.

    What I think needs to be changed is the electoral college, which over-rules the individual voter, since it's winner-take-all by State. It could be 51-49 statistically, but it disenfranchises millions of voters, and I don't think that's fair. State elections are a matter of how many votes a candidate gets, which determines who won. Period. If there's a question, vote counting can be redone. The electoral college is outdated, IMO, since the reason for it has changed since it was put in place hundreds of years ago, due to TV and the internet being used to keep people updated on what's going on - things they did not have available to them back then.
    In 2012, there were 435 elections for the House of Representatives. The candidate who had and spent more money won 95% of those elections. The electoral college is a completely different matter and I don't strongly agree or disagree with your opinions regarding that institution.

    But referring to the Supreme Court allowing businesses to spend as much money as they want during an election cycle as "leveling the playing field" is a joke. I mean it literally sounds like you're joking. I don't see how anybody could argue anything other than they made the playing field the least level it has ever been. Less than 1% of Americans contribute about 70% of the money for elections. How is that even a little bit level?

    Look at for-profit education. There are colleges like the University of Phoenix who charge a huge amount of money for classes that are basically useless. They have huge enrollment levels because of their advertising, which both is a cause and result of the enormous amount of money they make. These for-profit colleges are complete garbage and when it comes right down to it, they are scams. But yet we have elected officials who are stonewalling any attempt to regulate the for-profit education field because they rely on for-profit colleges to donate huge amounts of money to their campaigns. I call that bribery. I call that lunacy. What is good for Americans is being ignored because corporate enterprise has purchased lawmakers. So, I guess I'd ask you who you think we're leveling the playing field for? Certainly not the American people.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have addressed this three times already in this thread. I am against being ruled by select group of people. The people we vote into office should listen to all of us, instead they only listening to their donors. When I listen to right wing radio, they even complain about the "donor class."

    Now to get back to your statement that government creates inequality, not the 1%. I don't understand the difference if it's largely the 1% influencing government policy.
    The government makes the rules ultimately, that where change needs to occur. Govt cannot control every aspect of your life though and make everything all fair. Too many rules can have their own unintended effects.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The government makes the rules ultimately, that where change needs to occur. Govt cannot control every aspect of your life though and make everything all fair. Too many rules can have their own unintended effects.
    Ironic. . . . the same leftist extremists who reject any sort of rules or morality from a church or the Bible, are happy to have rules or morality imposed by an all-powerful government created by humans. Such is the hypocrisy, and stupidity, of Liberalism.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Ironic. . . . the same leftist extremists who reject any sort of rules or morality from a church or the Bible, are happy to have rules or morality imposed by an all-powerful government created by humans. Such is the hypocrisy, and stupidity, of Liberalism.
    Not that I am saying that we should create an all-powerful government or anything like that, but realistically speaking we can change the laws of the country. No one has truly been able to do that with the popular religions.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Ironic. . . . the same leftist extremists who reject any sort of rules or morality from a church or the Bible, are happy to have rules or morality imposed by an all-powerful government created by humans. Such is the hypocrisy, and stupidity, of Liberalism.

    Ironic, (not really, but ok Alanis) the same "very conservative" american patriot hasn't read the constitution.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Ironic, (not really, but ok Alanis) the same "very conservative" american patriot hasn't read the constitution.
    Obviously neither have you or about its history, since the govt was intended to be limited.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obviously neither have you or about its history, since the govt was intended to be limited.

    Please cite me the portions of the constitution that proclaim we need to derive societal "moral" norms from the Bible.
    In fact, cite me the constitution saying anything about the Bible.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Not that I am saying that we should create an all-powerful government or anything like that, but realistically speaking we can change the laws of the country. No one has truly been able to do that with the popular religions.
    Why do you copy my posts and post them in the dungeon where I cannot go? Thats a cowardly punk move.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The constitution is not the only authority regarding our rights. It only limits which rights can not be taken away by the government in the USA.


    And again.

    If that were the case, automobiles and chimneys would have been outlawed long ago.


    Stop playing silly. No such right exists.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    This is a fairly one sided depiction of management/labor relations. Neither side can perform without the other. Leadership alone doesn't drive nails, provide patches, interact with customers, win accounts, or design new products.

    The emphasis on leadership at the expense of the many backs, minds, and hands who executed that vision is disturbing.
    I guess it depends on what comprises membership to either. Labor has no nails to drive without leadership. In fact, labor doesn't care what kind of nails to drive, it just does what it is told to do. Of course, this argument between the importance of one over the other started when the first person agreed to work for another for some form of payment.

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